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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2021 4:21 p.m. PST

Lockheed Martin showcases the Multi-Mission Surface Combatant

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ThyssenKrupp showcases Meko A-200 frigate

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Israel Shipyards displays Reshef class vessel

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Fincantieri showcases Bergamini-class FREMM frigate

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Elbit Systems showcases the Seagull USV

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Babcock displays Arrowhead 140 Type 31e frigate

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pmwalt27 Sep 2021 5:38 p.m. PST

Thanks for sharing the pics

Zephyr127 Sep 2021 8:35 p.m. PST

They just look so …underarmed.

arealdeadone27 Sep 2021 9:36 p.m. PST

Zephyr, they are under armed. Except the FREMM, they are all glorified patrol ships designed for constabulary duties.


However nearly all modern ships pack less firepower than an equivalent older vessel.

Eg the 6,700 ton FREMM frigate pictured above (and the only real warship) packs fewer missiles than a 4,000 ton Oliver Hazard Perry.

To make things even more stupid the new US Constellation class is based on FREMM and is even more undergunned!

The daftest of all is the near 16,000 ton Zummwalt which has less firepower than a 9,500 ton Arleigh Burke (Flight II).

Oh and the first ship pictured is a rebadged Freedom class LCS which is the worst of the two LCS.

Perun Gromovnik27 Sep 2021 11:26 p.m. PST

I am not fully into it so could you please explain why is Freedom class worst of other two, thanks

arealdeadone28 Sep 2021 5:20 a.m. PST

Freedom class has major propulsion issues the Independence class does not.

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Perun Gromovnik28 Sep 2021 5:47 a.m. PST

Thanks mate

Inch High Guy28 Sep 2021 11:19 a.m. PST

The USN has forgotten how to design warships, the program is a disgrace. There are several designs in service with other navies which are much better armed on half the displacement and at a third of the cost. At this point the best thing you could do with the LCS program is cease production immediately, decommission the existing ships, and transfer the crews and budgets to support the rest of the fleet.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP28 Sep 2021 3:43 p.m. PST

No mention my friend….

Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP28 Sep 2021 10:22 p.m. PST

Italian Navy displays Carlo Bergamini-class frigate Luigi Rizzo

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China's 33rd Type 054A frigate to be floated out soon


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First steel cut for Type 31 frigate HMS Venturer


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What Is The True Cost Of The Aircraft Carrier USS Ford


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Heedless Horseman29 Sep 2021 12:09 a.m. PST

I have little confidence… except in crews… but 'owt better than nowt'
This is 2021.. surely designers can provide multi-function,
climate capable warships?

A boat is Hull and Propulsion… kit it out how you like. for the craft… but you NEED Hulls, not Design Concepts.
50s/60s warships WERE updated… why not now?

I am NOT service, so they will know better, but 'Stealth' design might sound good… but you WILL get hit by 'something'… so construction/ survivabiility/ response capability, might be of more worth than concept

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP01 Oct 2021 10:06 p.m. PST

The Navy's Constellation-Class Frigate: Built To Sink Anything?


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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP02 Oct 2021 9:42 p.m. PST

Littoral Combat Ship: A Light Amphibious Warship?


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foxbat05 Oct 2021 3:01 a.m. PST

The new French built FDI frigate

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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP09 Oct 2021 8:53 p.m. PST

Light Amphibious Warship: A Mistake For The U.S. Marine Corps And Navy?


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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP12 Oct 2021 9:45 p.m. PST

Can The U.S. Navy Fix The Littoral Combat Ship Program?


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arealdeadone12 Oct 2021 10:01 p.m. PST

It would be insane to pour good money after bad into the LCS.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 3:23 p.m. PST

(smile)

Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Oct 2021 10:32 p.m. PST

Two Ada-class corvettes for Ukrainian Navy will be jointly produced by Turkey and Ukraine


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