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Which miniatures skirmish game has the crunchiest combat?

Thanks.

You'll have to explain "crunchy" methinks.

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Any rules will be crunchy if you play on the floor and step on the figures.

You mean tanks running over infantry (crunchies ) ?

Perhaps "granular" in the sense of counting many different factors, lots of variables?

I like the system in SONG OF BLADES and its many variants. Fast-moving uncertainty plus many many pluses and minuses for weapons and situations etc.

I would guess the same, Doc. Number crunching.

If that is the case then Final Combat is one suggestion. Heavy detail, down to the bullet and the amount of time it takes an encumbered man to run a certain distance. Time motion study.

How about narrowing it down by sharing which genre? Cheers!

It would help a great deal to define "crunchy".
And also the genre.

Play ASL with Microarmor. I can't imagine anything crunchier.

Any game system works with (what I believe is called) "iron man" rules (where you smash your minis with a hammer when they 'die' in the game.) But I hope that is not what you are looking for…

I've heard Face of Battle and Final Combat were pretty crunchy but that could have been just reviewers. I own FoB and will probably get Final combat just to see.

I simply add Captain Crunch cereal to make mine crunchy.

Look no further than Phoenix Command, which is perhaps the crunchiest miniatures rules ever designed. The hyper detail in this system made running more than a handful of miniatures for each player just about impossible. I remember trying this a few times back in the 80s and we simply gave up as while it was pretty realistic, a 60 second firefight could take you all day. There's a pretty good write up about it here:
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If crunchy means what I think, I tried an old set of skirmish rules called RETINUE and they were what I would call crunchy.

I Second "Phoenix Command!"

If Viper can't be bothered to define "crunchy" he can't care much about the responses.

Well, I'll take a break from my usual snottiness and recommend WRG's Fire and Steel.
Figures had 3 hit points, except for the really Manly Men.
It's intended for the Musket period, with FIW and Harper and Shsrpe scenarios.
Turns are broken up into phases where you have to check off boxes for reloading.
It includes silly things like tap-loading rifles.
Many many modifiers for all die tolls.
And if that's not "crunchy" enough, you can use historically dubious overwatch.
Having more than 6 figures in your unit was discouraged, but I often stretched it to 8, with sometimes up to 8 factions per battle/game.

Sorry, but there are no factors for varying quality of steel. No "castle forged" or Valyrian steel swords or bayonets.

How about animal crackers armed with pretzel sticks played with ancients or medieval rules?

En Garde is pretty crunchy, with multiple attacks and defence per figure

Skirmish Games "Western Gunfight" or "Colonial Skirmish" rules.

Tractics.

For anyone still unsure what 'Crunchy Combat' is, it derives from the term 'Number Crunching' so in essence is a complex, detailed and involved system.