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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Oct 2005 11:53 a.m. PST

You know how they have these reality shows, where the contestants are trying to lose weight?

What if we had a contest on the same pattern, but the idea is to paint the largest quantity of your unpainted minis?

We would break the world down into three or four regions, and have a team for each region. Every month, the team members report on what they have painted (with before and after pictures for verification, maybe with a news headline in view to confirm the date?). Because "quantity" is difficult to measure (# of figures? weight? difficulty?), we let the TMP readers rate the members (from 1 to 10) for how much they got done – and the lowest-rated person on the lowest-rated team (average) is out of the contest.

Does this sound fun? If so, any suggestions on how big the teams should be, what the regions should be, and how to decide who gets into the contest?

Matakishi Inactive Member11 Oct 2005 12:07 p.m. PST

Presumably there'd be a certaint quality of painting that was required?

I think this would be a very difficult thing to quantify and judge. This year I've painted 490 things so far, some were buildings, some were dead Dervish, there's a wide difference in the time it takes to paint them. Even similar sized figures can't be compared. It takes me a week to paint 12 uniformed soldiers, British colonial redcoats for instance, but I can paint 60 fuzzy wuzzys in the same time.

It'll be a nightmare to run, lots of fun, but a nightmare.

Personal logo Jovian1 Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2005 12:16 p.m. PST

What?!? Say someone enters the contest and has access to a painting service where he can get the figures painted quickly and faster than probably any of us hobbyists who don't paint for a living? How can you verify whether the person actually did the painting? Or are you going for a strictly getting unpainted lead painted contest – regardless of who actually does the painting?

Personal logo Miniatureships Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Oct 2005 12:19 p.m. PST

Bill;

With a contest like this, I would think that you would need to pick fist a scale – every team has to paint the same scale.

To keep things even, I would also suggest that they have to paint the same type of figures – note, I did not say from the same manufacturer, though if you chose fantasy, then in some cases it will be the same manufacturer. In the area of historicals, it could be Napoleonics, or ACW, or ECW, etc. Fantasy, it might be Dwarfs, Elves, etc.

I would limit the teams to no more than 4 members. And, to keep the person who would just spray paint the figures, I would say that a mimium of 4 to 5 colors need to be used on the figures (British AWI, Red, White, Blue, Black, brown, flesh, and metal color). Maybe award bonus points for people for highlight, line, dip, or layer colors>

Make it a six month race, and each month, at the first of the month (not before) they are given a period to paint. Thus, you are not spending the whole race painting the same period of figures. This should cut down on the cheating, like sending stuff off to a painting service. Plus, you might want to put a number that needs to be reach and the last team to reach that number at the end of the month is out. (4 team members, say 1,000 figures).

Break down – You could break down the US into the standard 6 regions (North- west, midwest, east; South – west, midwest, east) – UK, the challenge could go to all the gaming clubs, Same with Europe, etc.

Joel

wehrmacht11 Oct 2005 12:23 p.m. PST

The Brotherhood of the Brown Bottle club ran a similar contest a year or two ago. There was "points" system based on a 25mm foot figure being worth one point. I ran a similar contest for members of our group.

When I saw the title of the thread I was reminded of the previous thread on being "Wargamer-Sized"… asking "Who is the Biggest Painter", literally. ;-)


w.
the smallest painter

Alxbates11 Oct 2005 12:35 p.m. PST

Good Lord… that's an interesting idea for a contest. I'd enter it, but I very much doubt that I'd win.

And the prize better not be more unpainted lead!

Maybe something like a gift voucher for a painting service?

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Oct 2005 12:52 p.m. PST

Presumably there'd be a certaint quality of painting that was required?

I would think that you would need to pick fist a scale

Maybe. But my thinking was that the TMP readers would look at what the person did that month, and rate them from 1 to 10. That way, people could account for scale, quality, difficulty level, and other factors that can be difficult to quantify.

I would also suggest that they have to paint the same type of figures

I think that people will know the difference in effort between painting a dozen very detailed fantasy figures vs. painting a dozen "naked savages" for a historical game… wouldn't they? (Maybe you're right – anyone else agree?)

How can you verify whether the person actually did the painting?

Partly word of honor. And require the person to send in a picture of the unpainted minis, with a current headline visible in the background, so that we know when they started painting those figures. (Figures only count if they were started and finished that month?)

There was "points" system based on a 25mm foot figure being worth one point.

Can you pass along the point system? My only concerns with a points system are (1) people might focus on maxing points, rather than real painting, and (2) I'd like to make the contest interactive, with TMP readers having some input.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Oct 2005 1:15 p.m. PST

Alternately…

In the weight-loss contests, the goal isn't necessarily to lose the most weight, but to set a goal and reach it.

So – perhaps each person, when they enter the contest, propose what their monthly goals will be?

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Oct 2005 1:19 p.m. PST

I suppose there needs to be some rule to prevent someone from quitting their job and working full-time painting so they win the contest. grin

Anyone have an idea how to handle that, and is there any way to verify it?

What if someone is running late for the month, and wants to take a day or two off work for painting – is that allowed?

Zagloba11 Oct 2005 1:21 p.m. PST

I say either a vote-off (like past contests) or maybe each voter gets to assign 1st, 2nd, 3rd with each place being weighted (10 pts for 1st, 5 for 2nd, 1 for 3rd, etc.) That way each voter can decide on their own criteria without the contestants trying to game the system. I'd enter- it'd be nice to be in a painting contest I have a chance of winning, even if a slim one.

Rich

Old Digger Inactive Member11 Oct 2005 1:23 p.m. PST

I'd be interested in this.

But what about the guy that has been just itching for a reason to paint his legion of black slime monsters or skeletons. Do you think the rating suystem to be strong enough to negate such things?

Also, this could create a glut of photos. would people have to host their own photos somewhere and then link them here? or would there be a central location?

~OD

Zagloba11 Oct 2005 1:25 p.m. PST

Oh yeah, don't run it over Christmas holidays or similiar. I'd hate to think that some kid is going to win because they have two weeks off from school, while someone working retail doesn't get anything painted because they're slammed at work. Otherwise, I just say make each customer state their profession and let each voter decide how much weight to give it.

Rich

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Oct 2005 4:45 p.m. PST

don't run it over Christmas holidays

Perhaps it's a good New Years Resolution-type contest, to start in January?

parejkoj Inactive Member11 Oct 2005 5:55 p.m. PST

That sounds very interesting. I'd certainly like to join. But there is also the problem (mine particularly), of starting and not finishing things. I've got nearly as many half-finished figures as blank, untrimmed ones. Would they both count? And what about assembly?

I like Zagloba's idea about including profession (boy, this is getting complicated, quick!). I know there are some weeks when I barely have time for a good dinner.

Also, terrain, vehicles and figures (different scales?) all should be taken into account somehow. I guess the member rating system could roll those all together somehow.

And I might be able to provide a hosting location, either for a few people who need one, or for the whole thing, depending on how many people sign up.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Oct 2005 6:29 p.m. PST

TMP can host the photos for the contest, no problem.

Alxbates11 Oct 2005 10:23 p.m. PST

New-years Resolution contest – I like that idea.

-Alex

Minidragon Fezian Inactive Member12 Oct 2005 3:46 a.m. PST

I wouldn't put any restrictions on this whatsoever. Let people paint whatever they want, let them spend as much as they want on painting services, let them quit their jobs – who cares! Mass quantity painting service stuff tends to look like garbage and people will factor that in. Quitting your "real" job = dedication to the cause. Multiple scales, types, etc… people know the difference and can factor it in.

Let's not miss this opportunity to take some of Bill's power! He's offering to let this be decided wholely democratically (well, he's mentioned the possibility)! This is how the British Parliament got started…let's not miss the chance to dethrone Bill! No guidelines, no rules, let the people decide!!

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