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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2021 8:36 a.m. PST

Hello everyone ,

Which manufacture offers 1/144 th pre-painted vehicles and figures (like that of Pegasus Hobbie) representing the US army in 1944-1945?

Thank you

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2021 9:40 a.m. PST

World Tank Museum or 21st Century Toys, but they are long out of production and hard to find. Also there is Panzer Depot but they are very expensive. As for figures Pegasus is the only one I know of. link

Wolfhag23 Sep 2021 10:04 a.m. PST

I have a large lot of German and Russian tanks from Tank Museum NIB.

Wolfhag

Personal logo StoneMtnMinis Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2021 10:41 a.m. PST

@ /wolfhag

Do you mean you are wanting to sell them?

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2021 12:08 p.m. PST

Pegasus also makes these Shermans. link
And you can get these US halftracks and trucks here. auction
auction

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2021 12:17 p.m. PST

WTM on the left and the one I linked to on the right.

002_zps1cafd62c by machinehead1956, on Flickr

Heedless Horseman23 Sep 2021 10:13 p.m. PST

Over the years, I have aquired plenty of Takara World Tank Museum US vehicles from ebay. But some sellers way overprice… for 'collectors'.
I was lucky and regularly bought from a Japan seller who occasionally had US stuff apart from the common M4A1 (76). Her prices were very good often 2 or more vehicles for under the £15.00 GBP gbp 'threshold' for import duty. Her prices haven now gone up… so .not often viable but have enough stuff, now, anyway
I wouldn't mind paying duty… but in UK There is a 'collection charge' by Post Office… so overall costs almost double!
Postage to UK from Japan was VERY cheap… practically the same as UK internal! Nowhere like the shipping cost from USA! Also fairly fast and reliable.

The thing about ebay… is don't rush in and pay huge whacks! Have a look around for sellers…or someone may be selling off part of collection.
Again, I was lucky and got a Company pack of M4A3s… and also a load of M3 H/Ts and M8 / M20s from other sellers.

Although not prepaints… the new Victrix kits are pricey, (6 in a box!)… but VERY good. With separate commander figs or inf crew. Oh… and US Infantry… but not prepaints.

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2021 10:52 p.m. PST

Lucky for me I started collecting 1/144 when WTM was still coming out so I was able to get them at a good price. Same with Dragon Cando and 21st Century Toys. I have over 80 of their M-7 Priests alone. Prepaints are hard to get now and are way overpriced. F-toys has taken over the WTM brand, they are prepainted on sprues that you have to cut off and glue together. They sell out pretty quick and then the resellers get them and jack up the prices.

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP23 Sep 2021 10:56 p.m. PST

L to r, F-toys, WTM and 21st Century. F-toys paint jobs are not very good in my opinion.

Picture+27444 by machinehead1956, on Flickr

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa24 Sep 2021 4:39 a.m. PST

F-toys has taken over the WTM brand, they are prepainted on sprues that you have to cut off and glue together. They sell out pretty quick and then the resellers get them and jack up the prices.

Didn't know that.

I'd say the cost of pre-paints, unless you're willing to wait for the odd collection to come up an auction site, is so steep its probably worth considering the services of a professional painter!

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2021 7:03 a.m. PST

Thank you all,

But although they are all on the same scale, I bet that from one brand to another, there are some that are incompatible with others?

Very unfortunate on a gaming table.

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2021 8:08 a.m. PST

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa, here is one example.
link

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2021 8:12 a.m. PST

Paskal, there are some comparison shots on this thread.
link

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2021 10:42 a.m. PST

Thank you machinehead, but these items are discontinued and should not be back in stock…

For the sizes of the vehicles,I had thought it was to be expected, one more problem …

Well, I will try not to disperse myself…

First of all, it is the Battle of the Bulge of 1944 that interests me …

Secondly, is there a specific WWII rule for the 1/144th scale?

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2021 10:57 a.m. PST

Victrix has some, I don't know if they are any good though.
link

Steamingdave225 Sep 2021 12:06 a.m. PST

@Paskal
Blitzkrieg Commander, available from Pendraken, was written for "10mm"" models. I use 1/144 to 1/150 scale for these rules. I have also played Battlegroup with this scale, works well, better than with 20mm IMHO.

Heedless Horseman25 Sep 2021 5:46 a.m. PST

10mm and 1/144? Pendraken 'Old' AFVS were more 1/150. Newer scuplts fit very well with 1/144… as with figs. But Metals.
Eg. Pz III might get a refurb soon, others, some redone.(Pendraken DO do Infantry 'specific' for 'Ardennes').
See website before commitment Very friendly forum!
pendraken.co.uk
For 1/144 prepaints… ebay hunt for Takara WTM?

'Machinehead'… not sure what is going on… but original Takara WTM did not include those in series… so maybe F toys own models rather than 'takeover? Comparison pic of Pz III shows differences… but not enough to bother about! Def ok!

Thoroughly recommend new Victrix kits due to option for separate Commander or H/T crews… and good plastic inf, but again, not prepaints.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP25 Sep 2021 6:30 a.m. PST

Pendraken it's 10mm not 1/144?…
And for the pre-painted 1/44, there is only Takara WTM and Pegasus hobbies?

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP25 Sep 2021 9:24 a.m. PST

Heedless Horseman, they took over the name, the models are new. For instance they came out with a Japanese tank set. link

Steamingdave225 Sep 2021 12:55 p.m. PST

@Paskal.
Officially Pendraken are 1:150."10mm" is quite meaningless, it is used to describe ranges from 1:150 to the 1:200 from Skytrex. Many of the Pendraken tanks fit quite well against the 1:144 in my collection.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2021 2:16 a.m. PST

I started to buy a few models and I will buy more and more but in pre-painted it is not practical because for the Germans, I only need vehicles in winter camouflage and I only found theirs half-track and I can't find their infantry, their tanks, their trucks, their towed or self-propelled artillery with their servants, whether for the Americans or the Germans… Help wanted by pm, thanks.

The War on the Ground – WW2 Rulebook seems to be specially for 1/144, anyone know this rules?

UshCha26 Sep 2021 4:38 a.m. PST

Steamingdave2 Pendragon infantry always measured about 12mm high so were a good for to 1/144 vehicles. There vehicles were '10mm' which is about 1/180 (assuming a man is about 6ft). They were noticeably smaller than 1/144. Mewer Pendragon Vehicles are quoted as 1/144 a 6ft man is about 12mm at this scale. I assume they may be a bit bigger. I have not checked as now all my new stuff is "accurate" 1/144 3D printed.

If I could get the right green I almost would not have to paint Russians as they are often just green.

Why not do as I do, splash a bit of paint on quickly and inaccurately, nobody will tell at 4ft away;-).

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa26 Sep 2021 5:44 a.m. PST

I've yet to get my hands on any Victrix, but I was window shopping the other night and noticed that Arrowhead was cheaper for at least some vehicles.

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2021 6:29 a.m. PST

According to my tracking number by Monday my Victrix M5s, Churchills and M3s should be here. :D

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2021 6:49 a.m. PST

UshCha, the average height of US soldiers in WW2 was 5'8" not 6'.
So 5.7 feet = 12.06mm in 1/144 scale using this scale converter. link 6' would be 12.7mm

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2021 8:41 a.m. PST

The War on the Ground WW2 Rulebook seems to be specially for 1/144, anyone know this rules?

panzer depot no longer exists?

Thresher0126 Sep 2021 8:41 a.m. PST

The Arrowhead miniatures are superb, as are the Pegasus and WTM minis.

Victrix look nice too, from the images I've seen.

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2021 12:40 p.m. PST

Paskal link

Wolfhag26 Sep 2021 7:07 p.m. PST

StoneMtnMinis ,
Yes, I have quite a few German and Russian tanks I'd be willing to let go. I'm traveling cross country now and won't have them available till the end of Oct.

Didn't I meet you in LA two years ago at a St. Monica's HS 50th reunion?

Wolfhag

Heedless Horseman26 Sep 2021 8:40 p.m. PST

For US prepaints, there were a couple of other possible sources.

'7Toys7, Wargames Room' (not sure what they were called)… did a Sherman 75mm..in various camo for Tunisia. Nice pieces… but seemed 'too big'against other 1/144. Availability unknown.

'New Millenium Toys' had a small range of tanks US and German. Sherman 75mm wasn't TOO bad, but not up to Takara for modelling / paint job and maybe, just a very little smaller. Had moulded stowage… so, unless repaint or add your own, identical vehicles. Can still find on ebay.

Unpainted plastics… Revell (Germany), issued the Sherman, Truck and a 'basic' M8 a/c from the Revell Landing ship. 3 of each in box. ebay.

Unpainted metals… yes, Arrowhead very good! Note: tanks may have a turret ring, not a peg, if that matters. Several US vehicles in range.
Miniature Figurines ('Minifigs') have various stuff.
New Pendraken Sherman much better than the old, smaller sculpt… but needs detailing IMHO. Some other vehicles may still seem a little small if alongside the same 1/144, but fine by themselves.

Infantry… given prices for very small numbers of whatever prepaints available… would say that Pendraken or Victrix way to go for US… given size, they don't HAVE' to be works of art… but prepaints not either!

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2021 1:19 a.m. PST

Heedless Horseman, those Revell kits can be found here too. link link
Also I have a few Shermans from Wargames Room, they are way too big – not 1/144. I also recently got the Sherman Jumbo from Arrowhead, nice model but also way too big for 1/144.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2021 10:01 a.m. PST

Thanks to all !

@ machinehead

Impossiblle to order although this is on the site of panzerdepot, PayPal tells me that my invoice has already been paid (although it is not indicated on my PayPal account and asks me to contact Panzerdepot who does not answer? never had this kind of problem, I give up, they tire me …

Panzerdepot are pre-painted ?

I'm waiting for my first Pagasus Hobbies models…

Are they compatible with the panzer depot and the 7TOYS 7?

So in summary who sells pre-painted?

Panzerdepot, Pagasus Hobbies and 7TOYS 7?

To have vehicles and infantry in winter camouflage is not easy!

Only Pagasus Hobbies offers three types of German Half-tracks in winter camouflage …

I haven't got a single German tank in winter camouflage yet !?

For the Americans during the Battle of the Bulge, the winter camouflage was not systematic?

Thanks to all !

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2021 10:02 a.m. PST

New Millenium Shermans run a bit smaller than 1/144th, noticeably to my eye. They also made an acceptable M-18 TD. Their 2 1/2 truck is very nice though for some reason they did many of them in a two color camouflage. Their M-7 Priest isnt bad at all. There halftrack isnt bad. I understand they did a 1/4 ton amphib jeep but have never seen it in person.

The thing with them is though they claim 1/144th most are smaller and scale varies from vehicle to vehicle.

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2021 10:31 a.m. PST

Found this Cando Jagdpanther prepaint in winter camouflage. link from here. link

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2021 11:05 a.m. PST
Paskal Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2021 11:20 a.m. PST

Thank you machinehead but have you seen this?

Only one usable model among dozens and I don't even know if there were Jagdpanther in the Ardennes and if the Fuhrer-Grenadier Brigade had any when it was there?

I bought all those that the sellers wanted to send to France.
But I want more!
Thank you !

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2021 11:46 a.m. PST

You could give painting a go. Here is a good tutorial. I don't game, building them and painting is what I enjoy.
link

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP27 Sep 2021 11:39 p.m. PST

Thank you, I may come to this, but I prefer to avoid because I have a lot of work.

If you can find me other vehicles or infantry without forgetting the artillery in winter camouflages for the Battle of the Bulge, I will take it.

The War on the Ground WW2 Rulebook seems to be specially for 1/144, anyone know this rules?

UshCha28 Sep 2021 4:53 a.m. PST

machinehead That is why I use 1/144 not 12mm. 12mm is too small for British Guards who used to be 6ft 6" and British vehicles are still designed to take 6ft 6". Refering to miniatures by an arbitrary height is absurd. 12mm figures are a Crude approximation I have figures that are 11mm (short blokes)but they are valid within 1/144 scale.

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP28 Sep 2021 5:34 a.m. PST

Paskal, here are some guns and a winter Stug. auction
auction
auction

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa28 Sep 2021 8:22 a.m. PST

Given some of those auction prices buying models and engaging a painter looks like it might be economic!

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP28 Sep 2021 10:01 a.m. PST

Thank you machinehead,

Luckily you're here because since I started this topic, I've bought a ton! But I will continue because they are too nice, I need priests, wespes and Hummels and all types of light vehicles and infantry, all in winter camouflage. I also bought the rule that I told you since it is adapted to a 1/144 th scale which would not be the 12mm ???

It has been decades since I was interested in the Battle of the Bulge, I had let fall but the passion and the rage returned in 5 seconds and now I start to cross again towards thecampaign of Tunisia, only these two WWII campaigns, interest me , for that I did not change.

Damn! I have completely zapped the american M5, M10, M18, M24 and M36 !!!

Where can I find them ?

Thank you !

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP28 Sep 2021 12:04 p.m. PST

New Millenium makes an M18 auction

Thresher0129 Sep 2021 8:19 a.m. PST

Arrowhead does the M10 and M24.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP29 Sep 2021 9:26 a.m. PST

Thank you all for your help!

For infantry and light vehicles or light tank or armoured cars in winter camouflage, I can't find anything and to find American vehicles in winter camouflage, it's hell …

I spent a lot so I never let go. 'case, I want everything possible in Americans or Germans for the Battle of the Bulge.

Thank you but be careful I only want pre-painted…

Dan in Vermont29 Sep 2021 11:56 a.m. PST

@Paskal… Yes there were indeed Jagdpanthers in the Bulge. See accounts of battle at Dom Butgenbach, 12th SS vs. US 1st infantry division. Also, Jagdpanzer IV with L/70 gun.at other battle in northern shoulder

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP29 Sep 2021 1:00 p.m. PST

My dad was in the north shoulder (99th ID).

Heedless Horseman29 Sep 2021 9:17 p.m. PST

Paskal
Not prepaints, bur Victrix shipping box of 6 M5s and think M10 in development.
Butlers Printed Models can produce all on your list… and more. Newer models are not as bad for print striations as earlier stuff… but where present, can often be hidden with stowage, camo or just thick coat of brush paint in 1/144.

If you are really set on prepaints only… ebay…the Takara M4A1 (76) is fairly common… just, I don't like the winter camo version… looks too neat.
Can rarely find the M8 + Schwimwagen… bagged a couple in winter camo… but the M4A3 in winter dress is rare as hen's teeth! Only 3 in 10 years! As truly rare, tend to be pricey.

Plenty of German tanks, Stugs, etc in winter colours from Takara turn up on ebay.

Reality of 'winter camo'…VERY rough and ready… whitewash 'sloshed' or 'painted' with a broom… so any prepaint can be 'roughly winterised' with a drybrush of a 'greyish white', to taste, in about 10 minutes.

Just found
auction
…but I wouldn't pay that for it!

machinehead Supporting Member of TMP29 Sep 2021 10:31 p.m. PST

"but the M4A3 in winter dress is rare as hen's teeth!" I have 3 of those too.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP30 Sep 2021 2:44 a.m. PST

@ Heedless Horseman & machinehead

The M4A3 in winter clothes is rare?

Only 3 in 10 years!

What brand?

Many German tanks, Stugs, etc. in the winter colors of Takara are presented on ebay LOL

Yes it's true, e-bay and their sellers must be happy with me and machinehead since I started this topic …

I will only buy pre-painted except for the infantry because I have too much work …

I will also need decals for the second French DB for a future project … I only have those of Vitrix …

Nobody sells the M5 and its version M8, M7, M8GH, M10, M18 and M36 and jeeps in winter camouflage?

And the American infantry, they didn't wear winter camouflage outfits? Who sells Hummels and Wespes in winter camouflage?

Thank you for your help and help me continue the research.

@ machinehead,

My dad did not fight in the Battle of the Bulge, but mum was arrested twice by the Germans in 1944 …

The poor…

I heard from "Panzer Depot"…

They have had a "Panzer Depot" online store for several years.
But due to EU VAT, there will be some problem when they send order from the online store to EU countries.

The package may be held by EU customs until the buyer has paid the VAT.

So it is better to buy from their Ebay store as Ebay will collect VAT when the order is placed and paid.

Then the parcel will be sent to buyers without any problem.

Thank you for your help and help me continue the research.

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