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Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2021 8:36 a.m. PST

From the Journal of the American Revolution.
Very interesting, but short article.
It shows why Mount Defiance was crucial to the defense of Ticonderoga, but also gives a solid reason for the Americans not occupying it in the first place.
Plenty of room for arguments and discussion here! grin
It certainly settles whether Guns posted there could reach Ticonderoga. With ease, even 6lb guns.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2021 8:37 a.m. PST

It's also yet another good reason to subscribe.

lucky1oldman16 Sep 2021 10:40 a.m. PST

Thanks for the link to this information – very informative.
It answers the question for me, but makes the British losses in the F&I war that much more regretable.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2021 10:53 a.m. PST

You're welcome.
Yeah. Montcalm had their number at Ticonderoga. Even he was surprised.

advocate16 Sep 2021 12:30 p.m. PST

Imagine using this board for something so useful! Pure genius, John.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2021 2:22 p.m. PST

I subscribe to JAR and find most of their articles extremely interesting. Definitely a source for American Revolution gamers.


Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2021 3:56 p.m. PST

I've been up that mountain and it was a helluva long way to do any damage.
But what a view… ohh for 2002 again!

Legionarius16 Sep 2021 7:58 p.m. PST

+1 John OFM and Advocate. Yes, let's bring the hobby back into our threads!

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP16 Sep 2021 8:30 p.m. PST

That would be an interesting mini-campaign, probably a board game. The map could be used in both the FIW, AWI and "what if?" Campaigns.
The Canadian Wargamers Group has an interesting map exercise game in "Habitants and Highlanders".

I bet it would even work for a War of 1812 hypothetical campaign.

Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2021 7:03 a.m. PST

I would be interested in if anyone knows if howitzers or mortars (using shells) could have hit the fort from the heights. Keeping in mind that the Americans did not have the ability to defend the fort due to lack of numbers, if they had had the forces, did the British have artillery using shells that could have reached the fort?

Round shot would have been a trial for defenders of the fort and it's outer defenses, but shell fire would have reduced the fort's buildings to ashes and been a severe threat to its magazine.

Not sure what effect round shot would have had against the stone defenses of the fort or trenches on Mount Independence. However, the British had the numbers to besiege the place, so the outcome would have been defeat for the Americans regardless I'd assume.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2021 10:58 a.m. PST

OFM, are 'Mount Defiance' and 'Sugarloaf' the same
feature ??

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2021 12:52 p.m. PST

The linked article says it was called Sugar Hill.

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2021 4:53 a.m. PST

Thanks. An old (published 1920's) book I had on the AWI
with a map of the area labeled it 'Sugarloaf'.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2021 3:25 p.m. PST

Round shot from large caliber siege guns, which Burgoyne certainly had when taking Ticonderoga, could force a breach in the walls of a masonry fortification.

For respective ranges, I would recommend using period artillery manuals. Muller would be a good start.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2021 7:45 p.m. PST

I thought that Burgoyne hauled his large caliber siege guns down from Canada. He couldn't use guns seized from Ticonderoga until he took Ticonderoga.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP20 Sep 2021 3:57 a.m. PST

Yes-that's what I remarked upon and in a previous thread on the subject listed the number and caliber of artillery pieces that Burgoyne brought down from Canada.

I didn't suggest that the artillery taken at Ticonderoga were used for its reduction.

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