"Milley Secretly Secured Nuclear Codes???" Topic

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Okay. This isn't real, right? I'm a brain in a jar, and you guys and all this are just electrical impulses being fed into my consciousness, right?

What the ?

And those of you on the other side realize that this stuff (if it's real, which I'm seriously doubting), can as easy be used to keep someone in power as to take someone out?

Okay. I'm about ready to check out at this point.

Where's the jar containing Hitler's brain? I want to see if he's run into similar weird stuff…

It's REAL, as is the "Deep State".

In the "good olde days" a person would be given a court martial, and then shot or hung for this.

I'd like to see such traditions make a comeback to serve as a warning to others.

Oath Breaker.

So, Milley is a Chi-com agent, or operative?

Man, those in power are even more left-wing than I thought, and I didn't think that was possible.

Amazing what a little blackmail fooder can get you.

I don't like Miley but watch where this is coming from, seems a person with no cred is pushing a book.

Interesting takes on what may or may not be true.

It's Woodward, so a grain of salt helps. Remember Bill Casey's "deathbed confessions?"

All well and good, except that Milley seems to have no problem with any of this being spewed to the moon and the stars.

There was also a time when a conspiracy like this would be hushed up, and people who wrote books (or just ran down the street screaming) about it would find themselves in narrow pine boxes, or in insane asylums nicely medicated, or (possibly, and, again, I'm betting on this one) with their brains in jars being fed electrical stimuli.

Any of those as opposed to say, finding a publisher and screaming, "Hey guys! Guess what cool thing I just did? See, I got control of the US nuclear codes (you know, those things that can wipe most of the life off the planet, or have us living in a Gamma World scenario, with all kinds of really cool mutations and tentacles and ) and just for laughs I told some Red Chinese general about it (cuz I thought it was so cool and had to tell SOMEBODY), oh, and some nut found out about it, so I had my agents stick his brain in a jar, and make him think he's a retired army nerd living in Georgia, and talking with a bunch of other old nerds on some wargaming website…"

<Pant. Pant.>

Okay.

In the outside chance that this IS real, and I'm NOT a brain in a jar, could somebody please call Milley's office and see that I get made into one? Reality has just become too much for me to handle.

Hitler's brain was never in a jar. He died and was buried in 1971. Up until 1966 he'd been running a Volkswagen dealership in Bayonne, New Jersey.

It is hard to believe, but it is a serious allegation and must be investigated. His oath is to follow lawful orders of superior officers. If he felt he couldn't do that, then a public resignation should have been made. If found to be true, then he needs to face a court martial for treason.

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This just keeps getting better.

I don't hear him on the television denying it.

Him being Milley?

at least a court-martialed and time at Leavenworth

That link may be from a source that's a bit biased: "It's the latest report of behind-the-scenes chaos as Trump sought to subvert the 2020 US election."

Nothing will happen to him as long as Biden is in office.
Why else would he make it public.

Nothing will happen to him as long as Biden is in office.

Pretty much.

By the time Milley and Biden are done, the US military will have become a politically correct organ of the Democratic party.

This will ensure no Republican president will be able to ever rely on full loyalty of the US military high command.

Anybody have figure of general on the phone, or seated military staff with conference table? What's the best scale for this?

The story may have been updated since the link was posted, I am not sure. But let's remember at the time of these events, the President had fired the Secretary of Defense for not supporting unlawful use of the Insurrection Act. Pro-Trump rioters had invaded the Capitol threatening to hang or harm the Vice President and leaders of Congress. Senior members of Congress were urging the VP to start proceedings to legally remove the President under the 25th Amendment. Cabinet members were resigning so they wouldn't have to vote in such proceedings. Congress was preparing to impeach the President for abuse of power.

Let's remember also that when Nancy Pelosi called Milley, she wasn't calling as the opposition leader, she was calling as Speaker of the House, the 3rd person in the line of succession after the President and Vice President. As mentioned above it was possible the President would be removed, and the Vice President's life already had been threatened. With the country riding a tide of such extraordinary events, Milley would have been foolish not to take the call seriously.

Part of Milley's oath is to follow lawful orders; he was taking responsibility for making sure unlawful orders, if given, wouldn't be followed. His actions may have been technically questionable, but his motivation was laudable.

Lawful orders to cover for unlawful orders. Or is it the other way around?

Thank you CeruLucifus. Reality therapy. I think you are exactly right. I think this topic deserves at least one voice with another point of view. I don't think I have ever felt so saddened by the state of our disunion.

Cerulucifus

Would that be after pro-Biden brown shirts shut down polling places and wouldn't allow Republicans to observe the vote counting?

Always important to consider the really fun incident our guys engaged in that led up to the really eeeevil incident your guys engaged in? Or have I got that wrong? ?

Yes, I strongly believe this is wrong. But i cannot change your mind, and I refuse to go to war again to save the country if we can find another way….

JMcCarroll +2 …

I refuse to go to war again to save the country if we can find another way….

Yes it should be the very last resort.

GEN Milley & the JCS are only advisers. And in many cases as in this situation IMO this advise is was not followed to execute as successfully evac A'stan. Milley/JCS is not in the chain of command for WMD launch authority. Again, they can only advise the elected and appointed officials in our Gov't.

I don't believe Milley/JCS would even have anything to do with the launch codes.

Him calling or being call other members of Congress, etc., in situation AFAIK are not in the JCS Chain of Command. Based on the content of this call and who was on the other end of the phones this action would not be authorized.

Milley talking to another GEN really is not unheard of but IIRC that has to be authorized by Sec Def/Pentagon. The content of this conversion with China's GEN Li may have crossed the line ? Better to be talking to your "enemy" than shooting.

I think I understand his motivation for this call to Li. With Milley and most of the media thinking the the POTUS was not stable, etc. He may have been trying to let Li to not think there would be "problems". This may have been illegal.

As well as telling some in the the US Cmd/HQ/TOC, etc., not to do anything without his OK … He certainly out ranked everybody there. But was that a legal order based on the content of of that directive ?

Milley will probably resign to save face, etc. But those at the very top will continue to be in power. For better of worse.

The JCS can advise … but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. E.g. Bagram vs Kabul, etc., etc., etc.,…

As I understand it, Esper and others were involved, and many people heard the phone calls as per Pentagon protocols. No way the lid would have stayed on re improper behavior with so many involved and the chaotic situation post election. We need to hear from Milley and subordinates directly.

It was not only the media with concerns. The various statements from the President about the election put much of the country as well as world leaders and his own staff in doubt regarding the transfer of power. You could dispute this, but it seems plausible to me, especially in the absence of verified proof regarding election fraud. But Milley's actions still make me uncomfortable.

We have not said much about why Milley did what he did. But I heard the Presient speak during this time, and did not undesrstand his public remarks, nor those of his legal team. Obviously concerns were raised at high levels. If Milley overstepped in the belief that the country was in danger, that may or may not make a difference to his career. But he if acted in the best interest of the country, he won't mind explaining it to Congress.

But he if acted in the best interest of the country, he won't mind explaining it to Congress.

Which I think will happen in the coming weeks.

Nobody has any miniatures for this?

Gorgrat
Would that be after pro-Biden brown shirts shut down polling places and wouldn't allow Republicans to observe the vote counting?

If you provide facts that this happened we'll have a date and you'll have answered your own question. Not having facts for such an event, I didn't include it. One relevant fact is that multiple Federal agencies determined there was no significant vote tampering.

Unless we're referring to this event which is being investigated:
The Guardian FBI Investigating Trump supporters who swarmed Texas campaign bus: link
USA Today Fact Check of same incident: link

Or have I got that wrong?

I suspect yes but there are those who subscribe to a false equivalence narrative who maintain they can't ever be wrong.

Again and again, the MIBs (the low level ones, I assume, employed for monitoring TMP😉) insist on telling me that my memories of election night are totally false.

Evidently, Trunp was not way ahead (to the point that any chance of his losing would be statistically insignificant) in the polls at midnight Nov 4.

Evidently nobody stopped counting the votes after nobody shut down the polling places.

Evidently, we did not wake up Vovember 4 to find out that the most fantastic shift in the results of the presidential election had taken place.

Evidently poll workers, mailmen and others didn't testify to any of this.

No. Really. Its not that. It's an eclair. Put it in your mouth.

+1 Gorgrat

^^👍

As with so many things in this life, the proof of the pudding (or the eclair, ad the case may be) is in the taste. And the following is far more the taste I expect from the great war hero who, in the midst of one of the worst defeats in American history, is doing end runs around his commander in chief with communist Chinese generals, while simultaneously being deeply concerned with understanding his white rage.

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What about a miniature of a general on a radio then?

Gorgrat: As with so many things in this life, the proof of the pudding (or the eclair, ad the case may be) is in the taste.

This is the rationale of false equivalence: all narratives are a matter of taste and deserve equal consideration.

Your first eclair post restates opinions that have been widely debunked; here is one link:
Reuters Fact check: Courts have dismissed multiple lawsuits of alleged electoral fraud presented by Trump campaign: link

Your second eclair post links news stories about the main topic.

To paraphrase Edward R. Murrow, since you have made no reference to any statements of fact I made, we must conclude you found no errors of fact.

Enjoy your miniatures. I'm sure we can agree on that at least.

Once a statement such as …it was widely debunked by Reuters… (paraphrasing) has been made, I know that the enemy has completely defeated himself, and offer mercy and a general parole to his troops.

The general himself, of course, must face the gallows☠

Shoot'm ! Hang'n 's too good for 'm !!!

I'm talking about the model of the GEN …

Not a real one …

Awww… Nuts. 😉

Gorgrat,

An election isn't over until it's over. Winning part way through ? Not relevant !!

"Not until the fat lady sings." …