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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2021 4:03 p.m. PST

… Wars

"Our nation's senior-officer educational institutions no longer teach warfighting—and that must change.

We must reckon with the hard truth that the United States has lost another war. Though errors made by policymakers certainly played a part, our military lost in Afghanistan because it no longer knows how to fight and win wars. This wasn't because our military professionals lack will or effort but because they have forgotten the real purpose for which militaries exist. Nowhere is this truer than in America's war colleges—the schools our nation established to teach officers how to fight and win wars. The plain fact is that these schools no longer teach warfighting. This may sound incredible—even unbelievable—but it is true…"
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Gorgrat Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2021 4:43 p.m. PST

What kind of a military incompetent are you? Don't you realize that our generals need to focus on understanding their white rage?

🙊🙉🙈

Legion 410 Sep 2021 5:47 p.m. PST

Hit it right on the nose Gorgrat ! But you forgot CRT, 1619 Project, wokeness, diversity, etc. How can you fight a war without these ?

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2021 7:10 p.m. PST

I dunno. They seem to be doing OK at this warfighting thing:

Company -- 10 Sep 2001 -- 2 Sep 2021 -- % gain
Lockheed Martin -- 48.77 -- 345.88 -- 709.21%
Raytheon -- 16.96 -- 84.54 -- 498.47%
General Dynamics -- 40.8 -- 202.3 -- 495.83%
Boeing -- 35.1 -- 220.83 -- 629.15%
Northrop Grumman -- 45.15 -- 363.02 -- 804.03%

2 Sep 2021 is the date of the article linked in the OP.

Stock price is admittedly a rough guide at best, but it's how we ordinary investors win in wartime, as opposed to the companies' executives.

Gorgrat Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2021 7:22 p.m. PST

Oberlindes Sol LIC

I do hope you are joking as we.

Zephyr110 Sep 2021 8:51 p.m. PST

"Our nation's senior-officer educational institutions no longer teach warfighting—and that must change. "

No need for that any more, they will only need to do what their appointed political commissars tell them to do…

HMS Exeter10 Sep 2021 10:33 p.m. PST

Trump said that if we'd had RE Lee in charge in Afghanistan, we'd have won.

Dubious.

Now, if we'd had WT Sherman at the helm…

Mmmmmm,…could be.

nickinsomerset11 Sep 2021 1:19 a.m. PST

Nah, cant beat a nice bit of diversity training, perhaps delivered through the medium of contemporary dance! Only losers train to fight and win wars!!

Tally Ho!

Thresher0111 Sep 2021 3:59 a.m. PST

Teaching officers, as well as our troops to "win" IS important, but the real ones they need to teach are the politicians, since far to many of them like to involve themselves in day-to-day operations, causing us to lose on a regular basis, and/or not permitting our military to do what it really takes to win.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2021 9:00 a.m. PST

@Gorgrat: I'm just calling it as I see it.

Legion 411 Sep 2021 10:02 a.m. PST

. They seem to be doing OK at this warfighting thing:
Yes the military-industrial complex. My stocks are doing well.

No need for that any more, they will only need to do what their appointed political commissars tell them to do…
Seems that is happening … there is an individual in the Pentagon in a high position on tax payer money. Whose job it is to make sure CRT, wokeness, etc., is being taught to all in the US Military. You can't make this up …

Now, if we'd had WT Sherman at the helm…
Well he and Grant understood about total war and getting the war over as quickly as possible. But those we other times. We did study the ACW, etc., as ROTC Cadets & officers …

Nah, cant beat a nice bit of diversity training, perhaps delivered through the medium of contemporary dance! Only losers train to fight and win wars!!

Tally Ho!

I think you nailed it Nick ! Maybe a little dancing will be the answer !!!

I'm just calling it as I see it.
So very true … $ talks … E.g. we lost over 5600 helicopters in Vietnam. Those had to be replaced.

And hope they got a really good deal when buying all those vehicles from US producers left in A'stan.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2021 3:23 p.m. PST

Thanks!


Armand

Thresher0112 Sep 2021 3:12 a.m. PST

Not being mentioned here is the huge oversight of what the impact will be of those 44,000+ trucks now being used by the Talis on global warming, and will they embrace the move to reduce greenhouse emissions?

I believe I saw brief mention that they will be working to help address that, from a press release one of their followers or leaders made, but of course perhaps I just dreamed that.

Will they be conducting annual, or sem-annual smog checks on them, and "retiring" any that don't pass?

[sarcasm intended in case you can't tell]

NavyVet In the TMP Dawghouse12 Sep 2021 4:23 a.m. PST

The political leadership created the results we saw in Afghanistan. That and the flaws of our Afghan allies.

Legion 412 Sep 2021 10:20 a.m. PST

Yes, that certainly seems the case. With the most recent operation seems a "not how to" example. With plans & orders coming down from the top. The troops on the ground & the pilots were put in a very bad situation.

Andy ONeill12 Sep 2021 11:03 a.m. PST

The problem was being in Afghanistan in the first place.
Once there though.
Did anyone define winning?
Not as simple as crossing a line.

The big mistake was Iraq though.
But a similar mistake seems to have been made there in that insufficient consideration was given to what winning would look like.

The mistakes were political IMO.

Legion 413 Sep 2021 9:34 a.m. PST

Yes the mistakes were political in both cases …

But once you get deployed to those combat zones. That means little why and who sent you there, etc. It is now a situation of kill or be killed and survive, IMO.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Sep 2021 9:50 p.m. PST

The counterinsurgency myth


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Armand

alexpainter14 Sep 2021 3:25 a.m. PST

The wars US lost were where there was more influence from politicians (that started them!). In the 'Nam there was the "Excalation",instead of destroying the enemy there where cevellotic ROE, I read the first raids were made by UNHARMED aircrafts, here in Afghanistan the US financed either an "army" that literally disentegrated himself without figting and an "ally" (Pakistan) that OPENLY supported our enemies!
You were alluding to Sherman & Grant, but Lincoln let them work,as Roosvelt did, imagine today a total war how the media would react to the allied troops butchering thousands of enemies in a ruthless but rational way! Too many people think that war had to be clean, impersonal, but sadly is the contrary.

Murvihill14 Sep 2021 6:17 a.m. PST

The problem was with George Bush. He decided to turn the mission from breaking the back of Al Queda into nation building. If he'd pulled out when we'd wiped out Al Queda's infrastructure then used airstrikes to keep them humble it would have been a win.

Legion 414 Sep 2021 7:58 a.m. PST

alexpainter + 1 👍👍👌


Good point Murvihill … that probably would have been the better option.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2021 11:01 p.m. PST

From The Counterinsurgency Myth linked by Tango:

The modern iteration of counterinsurgency doctrine implemented in Afghanistan mirrors four centuries of irregular, population-centred warfare carried out by the US,

For a country that has existed for less than two-and-a-half centuries, that is quite an impressive feat!

Legion 418 Sep 2021 9:06 a.m. PST

thumbs up

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2021 3:16 p.m. PST

Ha!….


Armand

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