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Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2021 1:17 p.m. PST

Let me try this another way… I want to have a rule for cavalry charges regarding "blown" horses. But I do not want to deal with a lot of modifiers re ground, actions, nationality, etc.

I am looking for a simple rule for a young beginner. What would you say would be a fair number of charges for a cavalry unit to make per game? 2 or 3?

advocate09 Sep 2021 1:19 p.m. PST

Maybe dice for it after each charge?

JimDuncanUK09 Sep 2021 1:22 p.m. PST

One charge and a long rest and maybe a second charge before end of day (in game terms).

14Bore09 Sep 2021 1:49 p.m. PST

2 I think, with period of time between.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2021 2:01 p.m. PST

That sounds about right -- a couple of charges with a long rest in between.

Jim

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2021 2:41 p.m. PST

My rules have this:
Troops have discipline , (training) poor average good.3 4 5
If you charge ( for which you need 300m straight) roll D6 vs discipline. If missed, blown.
If you have to retreat far or pursue, auto blown.

raylev3 Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2021 2:53 p.m. PST

Blown horses are not a matter of discipline…it's a matter of the horse not being able to function that well after a charge. As mentioned above, depending on the time scale/rules, two charges in a game would max out the horse.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2021 3:18 p.m. PST

Ah excellent, this is a great help, thank you all!

evilgong09 Sep 2021 4:32 p.m. PST

For a simple set of rules I wouldn't bother with a blow horse clause.

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP09 Sep 2021 7:54 p.m. PST

>>it's a matter of the horse not being able to function that well after a charge.

dont forget the smell….

Alley Richard09 Sep 2021 10:58 p.m. PST

The old Empire III rule is good. If you charge then at the end of the impulse the cavalry get 3 Fatigue Points. If the charge again later another 3 Fatigue Points. At this point they are well and truely shattered and they must stand down to recover some or maybe all of their Fatigue Points. So two or three charges a day at most. Horses would have to be rested fed and watered.

14Bore10 Sep 2021 2:54 a.m. PST

I use EIII and definitely a unit no matter how big and powerful 1 charge degrades, two is a losing wish.

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2021 4:42 a.m. PST

Raylev3
I called it discipline… could be called training. As in holding the line in check, keeping the fastest gait for the right moment if any, keeping control. Maybe the label is not too good.
I did not want it be automatic, as it has an impact on further combat, needs one phase to rest. Did not want "tactics" to waste poor cav. To get goid one blown and attack. With my system you are not sure. That is in real life your crappy guys run away in front of the advance which needs no running. Get totally out of your minds movies and cavalry. Far more cats play, coup d'oil, for the right moment and formations. Mostly beyond the details of our games. Like many games mevhanism, the result is the intent.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2021 10:01 a.m. PST

Again, thanks for these thoughts. Simple rules don't usually consider things like this or, say, ammo, but I want to make the point as also made here that horses don't have unlimited capacity for this kind of exertion and their uses have consequences a leader must consider. In this case only the one for this rule, but it starts the mind thinking more like a commander.

Scott Sutherland10 Sep 2021 1:09 p.m. PST

Are you looking to reproduce or simulate the historical norms or simply a game epiphenomena.

For a historical simulation, you need to consider the possibility of multiple charges by a regiment. Which may be the entire regiment or each squadron in turn. In addition, do the chargers reach a gallop or only a trot, and then is this over say several hundred metres or perhaps only a hundred. What if the brigade is properly managed and the initial attack halts when the enemy falls back and other troops make a pursuit. So neither reaches their full expenditure. Will these cavalry be able to rest and recuperate?.

Suggest you look to Glovers' volumes on the Waterloo Archive and go through the accounts from the Cavalry respondents to look at numbers of charges and recovery of mounts.

If your rules have turns of say 2-3 minutes then it is quite possible the game will not last enough to rally and reform for another charge. If they are an hour then possibly 3-4 charges can be made

Regards
Scott

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2021 8:43 p.m. PST

Thanks Scott, this is good stuff, some of which I have never considered. . For now I am just trying to come up for some home rules for a 12 year old to play with me. I am thinking he will surpass me in skill pretty quickly if I can keep him interested and I can add in more complexity.

14Bore11 Sep 2021 5:37 a.m. PST

One thought just had reading the comments is a possibility of a charge but not at speed as seems happened very often with a blown unit or maybe as conditions warranted. At least EIII doesn't have that but might think how a home rule could cover that.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2021 5:08 p.m. PST

Yes a lot of variables in "charge". Unlike movie charges with a long full gallop. No simple thing in reality.

How many movies have correctly portrayed a cavalry charge? Assuming there is even agreement on how it was done. In the movies there is almost always good ground and the gallop seems mighty long. And it's almost always used.

Mike the Analyst12 Sep 2021 1:20 a.m. PST

The Charge Of The Light Brigade is one of the better representations.

Snapper6920 Sep 2021 8:31 a.m. PST

We allow fresh cavalry a melee bonus over non-fresh cavalry. Cavalry are fresh if they have not yet used their charge bonus move to contact an enemy, or declared a charge/countercharge against cavalry. After charging and one round of melee, cavalry units are considered "blown", i.e. no longer fresh. They may return to reserve and rest in order to regenerate. This entails 4 moves (=1 hour) doing absolutely nothing. No movement or formation changes, nothing at all. After those 4 moves they are deemed to be "fresh" again. They may, however, continue to fight, charge and counter-charge as often as they like, counting as non-fresh cavalry, with severe penalties against enemies on fresh horses. In this way, even a single fresh squadron held in reserve may sway a battle.

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