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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP01 Sep 2021 10:19 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,
Which models can I buy to play the 16th Century Naval
Warfare in the Mediterranean?
For me, the bigger it would be, the better it would be, thank you

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP01 Sep 2021 10:27 a.m. PST

In 1/1200th there are Navwar (fairly basic models) and Langtons (beautiful, but a lot more money!).

stecal Supporting Member of TMP01 Sep 2021 11:40 a.m. PST

just love the wooden 1/300 model galleys from Skull & Crown. Galleys, Guns and Glory rules.

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Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP01 Sep 2021 11:44 a.m. PST

20thmaine covered the best options in 1/1200th scale. There is also a "Mediterranean galley" from Valiant in both the Spanish Main line and the Fighting Sail line (same model in both), but it's really short and has no oars, so might serve as a galiot with some crafting, but not a great model. (Conversely: the galleons and galleasses in the Valiant Spanish Main range are really nice, if you can get good castings.)

If you want to go even smaller (e.g. to put all 484 ships at Lepanto on a single table…?) there are two 1/2400 options:

  • The Figurehead range (currently sold by The Last Square in the US and Magister Militum in the UK)
  • Tumbling Dice miniatures

There are also expensive and somewhat blocky 1/600 galleys from Skytrex. Don't be fooled by the apparent extent of the range, there are only two hull models per side (Christian and Turk). These are actually somewhat overscale (larger than 1/600 scale).

Links to all of the above are in my naval miniatures shopping database: link

I am unaware of any good 3D prints or STL files for 16th C. Mediterranean galleys as yet. This extremely-niche period really cries out for some.

- Ix

Personal logo D6 Junkie Supporting Member of TMP01 Sep 2021 2:44 p.m. PST

I like 15mm so I made all mine but Old Glory has some 15mm galleys.

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Personal logo McKinstry Supporting Member of TMP Fezian01 Sep 2021 4:11 p.m. PST

Define bigger? Bigger battles in terms of number of models or bigger in terms of model size?

Prince Alberts Revenge01 Sep 2021 8:04 p.m. PST

For big battles and small ships there are Tumbling Dice's 1/2400 range and David Manley's Cannons, Cross and Crescent rules:

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phssthpok01 Sep 2021 9:33 p.m. PST

Wargames Vault has some STL files of 16th century galleys. I don't care for the full sail versions but the rest are good. Probably won't work for smaller than 1:1200.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP01 Sep 2021 10:59 p.m. PST

From my side, I have discovered that the following companies have produced model ships that can be used with the 16th century naval rules.

Navwar 1/1200 Renaissance Range: They are still listed on the Navwar website, but are they still on sale?

Skytrex 1/600 Triton Renaissance range but these no longer seem to be in production ???

Figurehead 1/2400 Renaissance galleys currently available from the Magister Militum.They are good models?

Thanks for your help.

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP02 Sep 2021 8:41 a.m. PST

Paskal, the Navwar 1/1200 models are indeed still on sale

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP02 Sep 2021 6:33 p.m. PST

I have a couple dozen of the Figurehead 1/2400 galleys painted. They're really nice models, just tiny.

When I set out to build up to Lepanto, I settled on 1/1200. Navwar for the line ships, Langton for the flagships and special ships, Valiant for the galleasses and round ships. It's the best compromise scale between maneuver room, visual impression, and human fingers.

- Ix

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP05 Sep 2021 3:18 a.m. PST

Yellow Admiral,
And why not all from the same manufacture?

Gallocelt06 Sep 2021 8:58 p.m. PST

D6 Junkie, those 15mm galleys look really great. Did you make them out of wood? Some years ago I was thinking of making some wooden ones but never got very far. I like your designs. About how long are your models?

Cheers!

Gallo

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP07 Sep 2021 2:38 a.m. PST

And why not all from the same manufacture?

Langton galleys look phenomenal, but they're expensive, and the etched brass parts make them fragile and labor-intensive. I can justify the time to build a few, but not hundreds.

I just love Valiant's round ships and galleasses. They have excellent character and variety, and it's easy to make them look nice.

I don't like Navwar's Renaissance galleys much, but they're cheap and easy to paint.

- Ix

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2021 12:53 a.m. PST

And what is the largest scale? 1/1200 of Navwar?

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2021 7:51 a.m. PST

The largest I know of are Old Glory Shipyard's 15mm Lepanto Wars ships, already mentioned (and pictured) above.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP13 Sep 2021 10:25 a.m. PST

Nothing at 1/56 th?

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2021 3:36 a.m. PST

You're going to need a big table at 1/56th you'd be talking about models mostly around 60-100cm long, and up to a couple of metres long.

That's more like scenery unless you have a ballroom to play in grin

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2021 2:48 a.m. PST

No, you can play on the floor.

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