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23 Oct 2022 10:35 p.m. PST
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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian12 Aug 2021 8:39 p.m. PST

What is your favorite unit that would be fielded in a Chaotic fantasy army?

Personal logo The Nigerian Lead Minister Supporting Member of TMP12 Aug 2021 9:03 p.m. PST

My Bloodletter Demons. I have a full Warhammer army of them, Bloodletters, Khornedogs, Juggernauts, heroic red demons and a Bloodthirster (a Reaper Sophie, actually). One trick army as it doesn't play in the shooting or magic phases, only movement and combat phases. But man, it is really, really good in combat and a lot of fun.

John the OFM12 Aug 2021 9:29 p.m. PST

Be sure to add "I don't play Warhammer" to the poll choices. 😄

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian12 Aug 2021 10:04 p.m. PST

Chaos existed before Warhammer grin

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2021 2:15 a.m. PST

And I don't play Chaos.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2021 9:01 a.m. PST

The problem is that "Chaos" means different things in different sources and systems.
It's come to mean grotesquely mutilated/mutant forces covered in tentacles, slime, spikes, horns, twisted flesh, multiple mouths with fangs and drool, all as over-the-top and disgusting as possible. And I have absolutely 0 interest in that.
But at one time a "Chaos" army was just an army with orcs, goblins, minotaurs, evil men/dwarves/elves in armor, evil wizards and witches, giants, ogres, trolls— all the classic "Chaotic" monsters of the original D&D game. The grotesqueries where rare and entirely optional. I have a LOT of interest in these games— in which case the favorite unit is obvious— a Dragon!
So, if it's just good old school fantasy, a dragon.
If it's the current grotesquerie parade, there's no unit I prefer— indeed, I prefer none at all.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2021 9:16 a.m. PST

Chaos Wars, 1985 (still in production by Ral Partha Legacy), the forces of Chaos are just the traditional fantasy game baddies.

It would be helpful to clarify the poll if you're surveying Fantasy Baddies in general, or GW-esque Chaos Mutants and Demons.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian13 Aug 2021 12:26 p.m. PST

Interesting. I was thinking of Chaos as being Chaos-aligned or perhaps unaligned, not part of a civilized nation, aloof or amoral but not necessarily evil.

So that would include:

But not Orcs or Goblins, which tend to organize their own states…

Zephyr113 Aug 2021 2:26 p.m. PST

Beastmen would be my favorite (though I still have to get around to painting them…)

Gear Pilot13 Aug 2021 3:17 p.m. PST

Wolf masked soldiers from the army of Granbretan + Gaynor the Damned.

SpuriousMilius13 Aug 2021 3:24 p.m. PST

Knights of Slaanesh mounted on Chaos Steeds.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2021 3:37 p.m. PST


Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Aug 2021 5:14 p.m. PST

The Corsairs of the Second Ether
The Minions of Azathoth
The Children of Apophis

Now … uhm … Games Whatshop?

Dagwood14 Aug 2021 12:49 p.m. PST

I ought to play Chaos, I think I would be good at it ….

I like Terry Pratchett's comment in one of the DiscWorld novels. Something like :-

"Chaos and Order are always fighting each other. Chaos always wins, because it is better organised"

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP15 Aug 2021 8:49 a.m. PST

I've said here before that a "Chaos" army is a bit of misnomer, at least in a modern sense— Since, by definition, Chaos is opposed to order, how could a Chaos army have a command structure, or any organized divisions, companies, platoons, etc.? How could it have a cohesive war strategy or battle plan? How could it have effective logistics, or division of duty? How could it determine objectives and maintain troop discipline to achieve them?
Jokes about military life and service aside, "Chaos" and "army" really don't go together.
Chaos Horde, sure— an undisciplined mass of disparate creatures all driven by nothing but the crudest impulses— but an actual "army", not so much.

"Okay, here's the plan…"
"The way we're gonna do things."
"Why we gotta have a way to do things?"
"Because I'm in charge and you gotta do things my way."
"Who sez you is in charge? Maybe I wants to be in charge."
"That won't work! I'm the sergeant! You're the grunt!"
"I don't wanna be a grunt. Maybe I wanna be one o' dem guys with all the metal on his outfit— whadyoo call dem?"
"Those are our officers!"
"Yeah— ‘Offy Sirs.' I wanna be one o' dem!"
"You can't be one of our officers! We got too many! Somebody's gotta be the grunt!"
"Sez who?"
"Sez me! I'm the Sergeant!"
"What makes youz de Sergeant?"
"I yell a lot!"
"Okay, dat makes sense. Youz de Sergeant. And I'z de Offy Sir."
"You can say that again…"
"‘I'z de Offy—"

evil grin

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP15 Aug 2021 2:16 p.m. PST

Misnomer or oxymoron matters not.

In Oct '83 I happened to be passing through Hyde Park in London on my way towards an SCA event just as a giant CND rally was starting. I crossed paths with a large unit of Anarchists who were marching into the park for the rally. There was a good 50–100 of them, all in uniform solid black, and with a standard bearer carrying a big black flag with a large red Anarchist "A" on it.

"No, no, you've got it wrong — Anarchists disperse!" I thought to myself; but didn't think there would be much point in trying to argue the situation with them.
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Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP16 Aug 2021 1:16 p.m. PST

Yeah, best just to mock ‘em from far away. It's safer and more fun.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP16 Aug 2021 2:46 p.m. PST
David Johansen16 Aug 2021 4:59 p.m. PST

Hexatrix Riders

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2021 4:38 p.m. PST

Night Lords Raptors and Berzerkers.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP24 Oct 2022 6:48 a.m. PST

Sorry, eto. Once you have schedules, tours, T-shirts and suits to enforce your copyrights, you're no more anarchy than minimo's uniformed marchers. In fact, you're part of the establishment. The court jester is still part of the court.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP25 Oct 2022 5:21 p.m. PST

The Sex Pistols didn't have suits, or really what we would call copyright law (which evolved into what we would recognize during the SP's original incarnation) or suits to enforce the non-existent rights or t-shirts. That came later. Not really tours, as such. And if you ask venue owners for their performances, they didn't have schedules, either. :)

Megadeth started on an independent label and jumped labels, fought their own copyright, [some legal disclaimer] other's copyright, fired, rehired, did whatever, broke off for solo projects, reformed, refired people for reasons that didn't consistently apply (and were mired in legal suits that made no sense and were never resolved) and were sued by their own "establishment". I wouldn't call opening on Alice Cooper's Constrictor tour-thing establishment.

If selling stuff you made makes you establishment, every human being in history is establishment (since commerce predates history), so the word has no meaning.

There certainly is a modern music industrial establishment. Colonel Parker created it and Brian Epstein refined it. In this case, Medadeth may have leveraged it, but neither really participated in it (as much as many people tried to get SP to do so).

GWAR could probably claim the same. They're very much grassroots vice establishment. Even if they sell t-shirts.

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