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Atheling11 Aug 2021 4:17 a.m. PST

Influential Miniature Painters and Why – Jock Ramage. ***This is not my painting- rather the work of someone who influenced me a lot***

Apologies for the direct link- there really isn't any other way of doing putting the full article here.

For the full article, please hop on over to my Just Add Water blog here:
justaddwater-bedford.blogspot.com/2021/08/influential-miniature-painters-and-why.html

cavcrazy11 Aug 2021 4:35 a.m. PST

Peter Gilder and Doug Mason are very big influencers in my painting style.

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP11 Aug 2021 5:02 a.m. PST

It would be interesting to see how the effect of the shading is being produced on the cloth of the banners, and even the shields. It seems as if in the picture displayed here that the lowest layer of paint on the banner is a very dark purple across the entire banner, and then lighter and lighter shades of purple and yellow are being used. And it is interesting to see the differences in the direction of the brush strokes.

Perris070711 Aug 2021 1:50 p.m. PST

I loved Jock's work! I even copied some of his Byzantines, and you know what they say about imitation.

Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Aug 2021 3:05 p.m. PST

When I learned to prime in black and use cheap
Craft paints that was a huge game changer for me !!

Russ Dunaway

Atheling12 Aug 2021 1:09 a.m. PST

I loved Jock's work! I even copied some of his Byzantines, and you know what they say about imitation.

Yeah, me too. That's why I chose him as the first influential painter in what will hopefully develop into a series of articles.

It would be interesting to see how the effect of the shading is being produced on the cloth of the banners, and even the shields. It seems as if in the picture displayed here that the lowest layer of paint on the banner is a very dark purple across the entire banner, and then lighter and lighter shades of purple and yellow are being used. And it is interesting to see the differences in the direction of the brush strokes.

Unfortunately, these were the only pictures I could get of Jock's work but I wholeheartedly agree, it would be very interesting to see the process step by step. Maybe one day?

When I learned to prime in black and use cheap
Craft paints that was a huge game changer for me !!

I (personally) paint with the highest quality paints I can buy. an experience that three years of a Fine Art drilled into me. :)

Maha Bandula12 Aug 2021 7:53 p.m. PST

Great post and fascinating choice of subject given that I had been expecting the likes of Kevin Dallimpore or Steve Dean. And yes, I'm in agreement with you on how we can all field pretty armies with just a fractional increase in effort. To my mind, good painting and the ability to put together a large collection aren't mutually exclusive.

Interestingly enough, the epiphany you described very closely approximated my own experience with cooking. With the right mindset and a willingness to learn, anything is possible!

Craft paints that was a huge game changer for me !!

I (personally) paint with the highest quality paints I can buy. an experience that three years of a Fine Art drilled into me.

Honestly I have never been able to get craft paints to work for me, even for bits of terrain and drybrushing (emulsions, on the other hand!). I guess I just could never get the viscosity right.

Atheling13 Aug 2021 3:44 a.m. PST

Thanks Maha Bandula- appreciated :)

I was a little apprehensive about publishing the first article as I was worried that it might have come across as egotistical. It is certainly not meant to be so. I'm pleased that it didn't come across that way.

Basically craft paints suck. They seem like a great cheap alternative but they lack quality pigments and a good binder, which basically means over time, the paint will discolour and flake.

Emulsions on terrain work well IMHO. I really don't know much about them except that they are a mix of an oil base and a water base. Sort of like the Egg Tempera used by the "old Masters". I really haven't dug any deeper into the chemical mechanics, which is probably something I should do as I'm about to make some terrain boards. :)

Maha Bandula13 Aug 2021 5:45 a.m. PST

I was a little apprehensive about publishing the first article as I was worried that it might have come across as egotistical.

As a believer in high culture I see nothing wrong with saying Tom Weiss is a great painter whose brushwork is better and mine, or in admiring him for it. And in a similar vein, I think the world would be better for it if everyone would learn to cook like Jamie Oliver. Saying so isn't equivalent to slamming the more gameplay-focused folks for amassing forces of overly-washed miniatures that no right-minded manufacturer would display on their webstore, or mocking those too tired out by work or too besieged by utility and mortgage bills for resorting to television dinners and subpar fast food.

Now what I really can't stand are painters, both professional and "amateur", who refuse to share paint schemes and recipes. You'd be surprised at how many there are out there; Dallimore being a prime example.

Atheling13 Aug 2021 5:55 a.m. PST

Maha Bandula

Now what I really can't stand are painters, both professional and "amateur", who refuse to share paint schemes and recipes. You'd be surprised at how many there are out there; Dallimore being a prime example.

I'm with you on that….. It's a funny hobby, I know a few people who closely guard their "recipe's" as if it's a valuable family heirloom! Happily though, most of the painters I know are more then happy top share.

As I mentioned in the article on my blog I was very lucky in that I had three excellent painters at the Edninburgh club and they were more then wiling to pass on any knowledge, ideas and techniques. I would not even begin to know how to describe how much this helped me.

Many people have asked me how I do yellows; thus I'm going to do a post on just that….. as soon as I can get back into my studio that is- I had the grand idea of tidying it all up! A week later and I'm still at it! Oops! LOL

Prince Rupert of the Rhine13 Aug 2021 6:40 a.m. PST

I've never really given the idea of who influenced my painting any thought.

In my early hobby years the only place I saw quality paint jobs where in Games Workshop 'Evy metal articles, in White Dwarf, but with the exception of John Blanche, I couldn't tell you the names of any of the painters.

Later on Wargames illustrated was the place for nicely painted historical Miniatures, while Miniature Wargames used to have pictures of painted miniatures that looked like the ones you actually saw on club night, but again with the exception of Kevin Dallimore I cant remember the names of any of the painters I saw in Wargames Illustrated.

Mostly though my painting was heavily influenced by working as a Red Shirt for Games Workshop in the Mid 90s I worked with some guys who where seriously good painters and gave me a lot of help plus part of the job was to teach customers how to paint which actually improved my skills.


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Atheling13 Aug 2021 7:59 a.m. PST

Prince Rupert of the Rhine

I'm sure that this is the case with me too. There were some "stand outs" for me and somehow the names stuck.

***I'm not sure how as I can barely remember the day of the week at times :>)

Personal logo Murphy Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Aug 2021 8:29 a.m. PST

Sheperd Paine was probably the first one to influence my modelling and painting and helped me realize that "I could do it also."

Britus13 Aug 2021 1:28 p.m. PST

The late Ian stables was one of mine!

Atheling14 Aug 2021 2:18 a.m. PST

It's great to hear other peoples influences so please keep them coming.

It would be even greater if you could find the time to write a thing or two about what made them such a great influence :)

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