| 4th Cuirassier | 25 Jul 2021 5:26 a.m. PST |
The old Osprey on Napoleonic artillery, the Terry Wise one, reckons a British limbered 9-pounder gun and team occupied 61 feet of road space. I've set this up using Airfix figures which are 1/76, so that 61 feet would be just over 24cm. There is no way that a gun and its crew are anywhere like that long unless the horses are 2 or 3 lengths apart. Does anyone know what this should look like? |
| advocate | 25 Jul 2021 5:33 a.m. PST |
If its a horse gun, the crew will be riding. It all adds up. I wasn't able to measure it, but when the Royal Horse Artillery Troop rode past me many years ago, it took a long time. |
Raynman  | 25 Jul 2021 6:24 a.m. PST |
Depends on a lot of things. Number of horse teams pulling the caisson and gun and the distance between horses. The size of the caisson and the length and size of the gun. I could see that length. |
| 14Bore | 25 Jul 2021 6:30 a.m. PST |
One of my Russian 6 horse teams which should be close to a British 9pdr. I have tried to do correct harness |
| Oliver Schmidt | 25 Jul 2021 7:37 a.m. PST |
61 feet = 20 meters sounds OK, if you count roughly 4 meters per horse, 5 meters for the gun plus limber, and another 3-4 meters (horse length) distance to the next team. |
| 14Bore | 25 Jul 2021 8:18 a.m. PST |
Another reason making my limber teams taking up space behind the battery. Contrary to what I seen at convention games I don't allow troop movement through gun batteries. |
| Trajanus | 25 Jul 2021 9:31 a.m. PST |
Sticking with Terry Wise and his British 9pdr gun and team. I have 39 feet long for six horses and 58.5 feet long with eight. So he wasn't too far out for an eight horse team. That's just the horses, limber and one gun. Nothing to do with road space for wagons and ridden horses etc. From Franklin, Table A.21. Page 147 and wherever he sourced that from. |
 enfant perdus | 25 Jul 2021 11:40 a.m. PST |
As Oliver says, you also have to factor in the space between the leading and following elements. These are more generous than most people would imagine. |
| Mike the Analyst | 25 Jul 2021 12:20 p.m. PST |
Baring's Kriegsspiel translation has road lengths for different formations in the 1860s. Will check it when I get home.
Do not underestimate the intervals, a team needs space to slow down.
For a battery you need a caisson per gun as a minimum. |
| Martin Rapier | 25 Jul 2021 11:47 p.m. PST |
Both the 1898 and 1914 British staff manuals have road spaces for various types of unit. An artillery battery takes up as much road as an entire infantry battalion. |
| Brechtel198 | 26 Jul 2021 3:38 a.m. PST |
For the French, foot artillery would have four-horse gun teams unless they had 12-pounders which required a six-horse team. Each piece would have one ammunition caisson in the field. The other caissons, field forge, etc., would be with the parcs. And as French horse artillery had all of the gunners mounted, that would have to be factored in for the length of the battery/company column. Horse artillery all had six-horse gun teams. |
| Mike the Analyst | 28 Jul 2021 3:54 a.m. PST |
So the Baring info is 500 paces for a battery of horse artillery in column of route. I take this as 6 guns plus 6 caissons Taking 12 vehicles at 61 ft each you get to 370 paces without allowing fr any intervals. On intervals. This video shows a column of caissons moving at the walk with fairly close intervals between the teams. The video is titled Royal Horse Artillery but the casques look a little French perhaps. link In this one there is a small interval between the two guns of a section but a larger interval between each section, moving at the walk link And finally much larger intervals with the guns at the gallop. link |
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