"Small-scale warfare began in the Stone Age" Topic
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| Tango01 | 22 Jul 2021 9:53 p.m. PST |
"More than 8,000 years before the rise of Egyptian civilization, hunter-gatherers went on the attack in the Nile Valley. Skeletons of adults, teens and children excavated in the 1960s at an ancient cemetery in Sudan known as Jebel Sahaba display injuries incurred in repeated skirmishes, raids or ambushes, say paleoanthropologist Isabelle Crevecoeur and her colleagues. The site, which dates to between 13,400 and 18,600 years ago, provides the oldest known evidence of regular, small-scale conflicts among human groups, says Crevecoeur, of the University of Bordeaux in France. Although people buried at Jebel Sahaba don't show signs of having fought in a one-time battle, they participated in an early form of sporadic warfare, the researchers conclude May 27 in Scientific Reports…"
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Heedless Horseman  | 26 Jul 2021 9:47 p.m. PST |
People will be People. No need to invoke Climate Change… |
| Tango01 | 27 Jul 2021 3:33 p.m. PST |
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| jamemurp | 03 Aug 2021 9:27 a.m. PST |
>People will be People. No need to invoke Climate Change… What? If people indiscriminately murdered each other, humanity would never have survived. Did you even read the article? These bodies were carefully interred, showing that their was an emotional loss with each death. This was not just some random killing, nor was it organized warfare, it appears to be raiding brought about by struggle over dwindling resources. Resource competition (IE survival) is a common source of conflict across species. The real significance of this is that the recurring violence seems to predate state societies. |
| gregmita2 | 03 Aug 2021 3:37 p.m. PST |
An interesting individual dig, but overall nothing surprising. We know that primitive hunter gatherers were some of the most violent human societies ever, climate change or not. If people indiscriminately murdered each other, humanity would never have survived. Violence is almost never "indiscriminate" in the sense you talk about, other than by madmen. Indiscriminately killing (and often eating) those not of the tribe though, that seemed to have been very common. |
| Tango01 | 03 Aug 2021 4:21 p.m. PST |
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| Heedless Horseman | 09 Aug 2021 6:57 p.m. PST |
jamemurp. You don't need 'dwindling resources, and competition for such' for 'people' to have a fight… and a fight may lead to killing… and 'Feuds'… and long lasting hatreds. A death will probably be an emotional loss with careful interment… and 'payback'.
'Raiding / Reiving' is 'Fun' for those who can afford to start… and those who are on the receiving end, need to make up losses… not just in the material, but in the 'prestige / honour'.
You just do not need to cite 'resource scarcity'… as a 'reason' for violence. It DOES predate 'state societies'… 'people will be people'. Somtimes, people… just 'don't get along', for so many reasons apart from 'climate change'. |
| Tango01 | 02 Sep 2021 9:04 p.m. PST |
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