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20 Jul 2021 2:50 p.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

  • Changed title from "AWI varient fro Fire&Fury rules" to "AWI variant fro Fire & Fury rules"

20 Jul 2021 2:51 p.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

  • Changed title from "AWI variant fro Fire & Fury rules" to "AWI variant for Fire & Fury rules"

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Personal logo doc mcb Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2021 2:24 p.m. PST

I have it, and wondered what people's experiences are with it?

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2021 3:03 p.m. PST

Can't help you there, doc.
I've been burned too many times looking for the "perfect AWI rules".
I'm always annoyed at too high a learning curve that takes 3-4 games to "get it right".

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2021 3:40 p.m. PST

I find it an easy transition from Fire and Fury which I also use for the Civil War – makes for a good playable game for something larger than a skirmish battle (Battle of Springfield is the smallest I have used it for

To John's Point – they aren't perfect

Personal logo doc mcb Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2021 3:57 p.m. PST

Reason I ask, I'm set to play some ACW games using Regimental F&F (the Little Round Top scenario) over Thanksgiving. So I have to learn those rules in any case. (Against my brother, who knows them well, so I don't have to have total command of them). He sent me the link to the AWI varient, so the extra learning curve won't be too steep.

My brother used to do a lot of miniature gaming with me and others, then about 30 years ago got pulled away into ACW reenacting, He is now too old and fat to do the reenctments (he says) so we're pulling out the minis again. I have the three lovely terrain pieces somebody did years ago -- Wheatfielld, Devils den, and LRT -- so he wants to do it right.

Btw, Phil has wriiten some very fine Civil War novels, if anyone is interested. Available on Amazon. Phil McBride.

dantheman Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2021 4:27 p.m. PST

If you played fire and fury ACW and liked it then you would do good with the AWI variant. I have not played this variant but a few friends have and they liked it. They played a lot of Fire and Fury so small learning curve.

Blasted Brains20 Jul 2021 6:54 p.m. PST

To each their own but I find Fire and Fury seriously wonky. My personal preference is for Rank and File. Here is a key difference for me – Fire and Fury and you get a few turns in without a decision being even close and then it is time to pack up, Rank and File plays fast and you get to an incontestable decision. No such thing as a 'perfect' set of rules, just rules that are fun to play and rules that make you wonder why you are in the miniatures hobby. Guess which of the two goes where for me?

Hope your game with your brother is loads of fun anyway. Ultimately, the real pleasure in our games is from the people we game with, not the rules we use.

Personal logo doc mcb Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2021 7:44 p.m. PST

BB, yes, I agree completely.

Normal Guy Supporting Member of TMP20 Jul 2021 8:51 p.m. PST

Rich Hasenauer has done amazing work developing variants, QRS, and scenarios for a number of periods in American history. AWI, War of 1812, and the Mexican American War have all been given excellent treatment. If you enjoy the original Fire and Fury family of rules, these variants serve the gamer well. Rich has even generously made them available for free via his website. Great stuff.

WarWizard21 Jul 2021 6:02 a.m. PST

Also agree with Blasted Brains on this one.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP21 Jul 2021 8:27 a.m. PST

We've played several games with he F & F variant and enjoyed them. I prefer other rules for ACW than F & F but it is what my group likes. An undecided outcome is less important as it is the people that are the important thing these days.

rustymusket Supporting Member of TMP21 Jul 2021 11:18 a.m. PST

Have to admit I saw the word "variant" and thought covid before I thought rules variant.

TangoOneThreeAlpha21 Jul 2021 11:41 a.m. PST


I played the AWI variant 3 times last year (twice solo), with the 'tweaks' I thought they gave a very good 'feel' for the period. That said I am a big F&F fan anyway.

Cheers Paul

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP21 Jul 2021 2:47 p.m. PST

I have played the older RF&F AWI variant many times (QRS-only, no supplement of rules). My games usually reach a decision in 3-4 hours. I don't know if mechanics added by the new supplement slow the game somehow, but I would be surprised if they did.

It helps to have players with F&F experience, but that's not strictly necessary.

What really helps is self-helping players. Once the basics of formations, maneuver, and shooting are understood (which most veteran horse & musket gamers understand already), nearly everything you need to look up is on the QRS. You can get pretty fast at playing the game just by getting familiar with the tables and modifiers.

- Ix

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2021 9:19 p.m. PST

In my opinion the AWI is a war best suited to the regiment/battalion level of units. It really isn't suited to Brigade level. Part of what makes it interesting to me is the different uniforms that many regiments wore. Quite often you will have regiments in a brigade which has a variety of uniforms, even within the regiment.

I think you would lose a lot of what makes the AWI such an interesting conflict to game. With a couple of exceptions most AWI battles are small and when you use only brigades, it really wouldn't be much of a game. There is a reason why there areant that many brigade lever miniature rules for the conflict. Perhaps you might be able to adapt F&F regimental.

Full disclosure, I have never been a fan of the F&F system.

Personal logo doc mcb Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2021 6:36 a.m. PST

I'll be using REGIMENTAL Fire and Fury. Sorry if that was not clear, I agree that brigade level won't do for Amer Rev.

michaelw989 Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2021 6:37 p.m. PST

The Regimental Fire and Fury variant is great!

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