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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2021 12:41 p.m. PST

Hello everyone,

Please, does anyone have pictures of the three Old Glory 25mm Phalangites references: PPA-01, PPA-08 and PPA-09?

Because the ones you know are …

Thank you.

Rakkasan11 Jul 2021 9:38 p.m. PST

The Old Glory Miniatures (as opposed to the Old Glory 25s) site has these photos:

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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP11 Jul 2021 11:46 p.m. PST

Thank you but these are precisely the ones I don't want to see, because all the photos on this website are not bad, but here we can see the details too badly.

JJartist12 Jul 2021 10:47 a.m. PST

I do not use PPA-08 and PPA-09 myself.

Here is a photo of PPA-01 models completed many years ago.
It looks like they still have the ones with hats from the provided image, I do not use the ones with the folded hats, those I replace with alternate heads.

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Old Glory phalanx in foreground vs Polemarch

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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP13 Jul 2021 2:45 a.m. PST

JJartist beautiful photo, bravo and thank you!

I am looking for Macedonian sarissaries (Macedonian phalangites) in 'Kotthubos', a light ptolemaic substitute for the usual linen cuirass as illustrated on the drawing n ° 38 of Duncan Head, Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars 359 BC to 146 BC, Wargames Research Group book of 1982 …

Are there any figurines with this type of armor in the three Old Gloy references?

Thank you

JJartist13 Jul 2021 3:45 p.m. PST

"I am looking for Macedonian sarissaries (Macedonian phalangites) in 'Kotthubos', a light ptolemaic substitute for the usual linen cuirass"

The Old Glory figures all have normal tube and yoke armor.

The kotthubos is a specific ask for Antigonid style gear and there are a few options in 25-28mm.

The Gripping Beast Polemarch range has these but in standard pike up poses.

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The Vendel range has some close to this style, but not a full set with lowered pikes.

1st Corps has Egyptian phalangites with helmets and kotthubos armor, and quilted linen. These are in angled pike poses.

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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP18 Jul 2021 7:11 a.m. PST

Thank you JJartist, but take a good look at the drawing n ° 38 of Duncan Head, Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars 359 BC to 146 BC, Wargames Research Group book of 1982 and you will see that none of the figures on your photo have the 'Kotthubos '…

But maybe the Antigonids in their wars against Rome wore the "normal tube and yoke armor"?

JJartist18 Jul 2021 9:05 a.m. PST

The Gripping Beast Polemarch figure is based entirely on figure 38 and 38a of Duncan Head's Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars and refers to the kotthubos as possibly linen or leather.

This page shows the painting scheme of the 1st Corps phalangites as created by Allen Curtis for my webpages.

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The reconstructed kotthubos wearing phalangite is on the left.

One can argue what the kotthybos is- but you mentioned AMPW and that's the source for both these figures.

Figure providers have chosen to accept Duncan Head's ID of kotthubos as tube and yoke and longer high midriff double layers of pteruges. 1st Corps has chosen the quilted linen style as a possible alternative, as indicated in the photos above.

In short this is a close to figure 38 in AMPW that one is going to get currently in 28mm.

The military Amphipolis decree of the Antigonid kingdom (ca 200 bc)identifies their cuirasses as being called kotthybos:

"those not bearing the weapons appropriate to them are to be fined according to the regulations: for the kotthybos, two obols, the same amount for the konos, three obols for the sarissa, the same for the makhaira, for the knemides two obols, for the aspis a drachma. In the case of hegemons (officers), double for the arms mentioned, two drachmas for the thorax, a drachma for the hemithorakion. The secretaries (grammateis) and the chief assistants (archyperetai) shall exact the penalty, after indicating the transgressors to the King (basileus)"

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP18 Jul 2021 9:57 p.m. PST

Thank but sorry, JJartistbut, please take a good look at the drawing N° 38 and 38a of Duncan Head, Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars 359 BC to 146 BC, Wargames Research Group book of 1982 and you will see that none of the figures on your photo including the one on the left on the photo of the Ptolemaic Phalangite Project: Phase Three via the link that you feel me have the 'Kotthubos'…

Did the last Macedonians really wear the type of armor illustrated by Duncan Head, in his Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars 359 BC to 146 BC, Wargames Research Group book of 1982?


After all, they may have been wearing conventional linen armor.

JJartist21 Jul 2021 2:03 p.m. PST

"Did the last Macedonians really wear the type of armor illustrated by Duncan Head, in his Armies of the Macedonian and Punic Wars 359 BC to 146 BC, Wargames Research Group book of 1982?


After all, they may have been wearing conventional linen armor."

Gurkhan has replied on your other thread.

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