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von Schwartz ver 209 Jul 2021 4:46 p.m. PST

I know we've been over this topic ad nauseam. We discussed relative sizes of the Austrian-German battalions/regiments but I don't think we ever talked about the relative size of the Austrian-Hungarian battalions/regiments. It's been kinda taken for granted, at least by many of the rule books, that the Austrian-German battalions/regiments were somewhat larger than their Prussian opponents, at least on paper. But what about the Hungarian units, some books give the Hungarian units smaller battalions (i.e. 12 figures vs 16-18) but more battalions per field regiment (3 battalions instead of 2). Kronoskaf is a little vague on this point and many of my old organization and uniform books are MIA. I've only seen a couple of rule books, KK and Frederick the Great, both had nearly identical organizational tables. Some of you out there have probably seen a dozen or more rule books on the period.
What IS the general consensus, if there is one, on battalion/regimental organization and size?

Musketballs11 Jul 2021 5:05 a.m. PST

Not sure if this helps, but from a quick glance at some of the regimental histories – IR34 for example.

Prior to July 1756, the regiment had 2 Grenadier and 16 Fusilier companies. The Fusilier companies were organised into four four-company battalions. Authorised strength was 100 men for a Grenadier company, and 136 for Fusiliers.

In July 1756, regiments were re-organised. They still had 18 companies – 2 Grenadier and 16 Fusilier. However, the Fusilier companies from the first 3 battalions were now organised into 2 field battalions, each of six companies, while the 4th battalion became a four-company garrison battalion.

This lasted until December 1757, when a further two companies were ordered to be raised, and the garrison battalion became a six-company battalion. Company strength was established at 140.

In the case of IR34, the Garrison-Battalion doesn't seem to have left Hungary, and was reduced back to 4 companies in December 1761.

In terms of field strength, regardless of what the paper establishment says, the two field battalions normally had between 500-600 men each, rarely more and sometimes less.

von Schwartz ver 211 Jul 2021 7:59 a.m. PST

Thanks Musketballs, thats generally what I have found, but the couple of rule books that I have used, both provide for a 16 figure "German" battalion organized into field regiments of two battalions and the "Hungarian" units organized into 12 figure battalions, 3 per field regiment. I was wondering if anyone has ever found a basis for this assumption?

Musketballs11 Jul 2021 11:23 a.m. PST

Beats me – the German regiments re-organised at the same time as the Hungarian ones, so both should be the same during the SYW with two Field-Battalions of six companies.

It wasn't completely unknown for Garrison battalions to take the field – several German ones were sent to Daun during the 1757 'emergency' and fought at Kolin. Haven't yet found any examples of Hungarian Garrison battalions in the field – they had enough trouble just keeping the Field-Battalions viable.

von Schwartz ver 211 Jul 2021 3:14 p.m. PST

I bet some one writing rules found some 4 company battalions for some Hungarian units and made an assumption. And like OJ said, "Making assumptions, makes an a$$ out of you, and umption."

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