| Tango01 | 26 Jun 2021 10:02 p.m. PST |
"Just two weeks after President Biden announced on April 14 his decision to withdraw all American forces from Afghanistan by September 11, the Taliban launched a massive offensive. Since May 1, the jihadists have captured a large swath of the country, laying the groundwork for the resurrection of their Islamic emirate. America and its allies have remained mostly indifferent—retreating from the battlefield as the jihadists advance. This is what a lost war looks like…"
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| nickinsomerset | 27 Jun 2021 1:13 a.m. PST |
How long before the current Afghan Govt turn on the retreating former allies. Was offer a short contract to go July/August, thankfully I turned it down, Tally Ho! |
| mrwigglesworth | 27 Jun 2021 6:40 a.m. PST |
The Situation in America Is Much Worse Than You Realize. |
 Legion 4  | 27 Jun 2021 6:59 a.m. PST |
The only way the situation in A'stan could be worse if a volcano and earthquakes occurred. As has been said even before the West got there to go terrorist/jihadi hunting. Blowing them back or forward to the stone age would be pretty much the same.
Good move Nick ! You are an Infidel like me … so they'd have no problem throwing you[or any Infidel!] under the bus ! Or donkey, BTR, etc.
The Situation in America Is Much Worse Than You Realize. You couldn't be more correct. If the was USA was the Titanic, you'd either have to run to the life boats or end up sleeping with the fishes … 🐟🐠 |
| Thresher01 | 27 Jun 2021 7:30 a.m. PST |
Actually, no it is not, since I understand the Taliban will be the new government, in short order, probably within hours of the US military's withdrawal, if not before. They're pretty much in control now, from what I'm reading. mww, I'm afraid your ARE correct, which is an extremely sad state of affairs. |
| Legion 4 | 27 Jun 2021 7:47 a.m. PST |
No doubt the Taliban, et al, will be in charge in A'stan. Will they allow AQ, etc., to use their "country/failed state" as it has happened before? With AQ, etc., training/planning, etc., to attack the West ? Of course they are still going to have to deal with ISIS. So that will keep them busy. But I don't see "the Taliban" not competing with other factions of warlords, mullahs, tribes, etc. As it was before … ISIS is just another player on the field … |
| SBminisguy | 27 Jun 2021 9:19 a.m. PST |
Not only did Biden renege on Trump's Afghanistan withdrawal deal with the Taliban and National Government, which sparked the recent assaults by the Taliban to try and take over the whole country, he's also NOT LEAVING AFGHANISTAN! He plans to leave up to 1000 American troops in Afghanistan, who will become terror attack magnets for no goal and no gain. Just pointless pain. |
| USAFpilot | 27 Jun 2021 11:31 a.m. PST |
Yea, I wouldn't want to be part of the residual force left behind. This is not Rorkes's Drift; this time the Zulus have guns. |
| Tango01 | 27 Jun 2021 2:58 p.m. PST |
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| Legion 4 | 27 Jun 2021 5:10 p.m. PST |
I heard only 650 are staying(?). Regardless hopefully we'll be able to support them from the air and sea. But A'stan has no coast and is literally in the middle of no where. |
| SBminisguy | 27 Jun 2021 7:54 p.m. PST |
I heard only 650 are staying(?). Regardless hopefully we'll be able to support them from the air and sea. Why? What's their mission? What's so important that they may DIE to achieve there? |
| Legion 4 | 28 Jun 2021 7:12 a.m. PST |
I don't what their mission is. The Pentagon has not emailed me yet … 😎 However, being a former Grunt and Officer. If we put our troops in a combat zone like A'stan. I'd hope we'd be able to support them properly… period … As a former Infantry Ldr/Cdr with over 10+ years training & experience. The radios man-packed or vehicle mounted is my most powerful weapon. I/we don't want an "even" fight. I'd want to use all the firepower available in my Plt/Co. and otherwise, e.g. mortars, FA, CAS, Gunships, Naval fire support, etc., etc. In a firefight I/we want to kill all those trying to kill us. And bring my troops out alive. The enemy … their bodies can rot and be eaten by the birds. That is the reality from my POV. |
| Legion 4 | 28 Jun 2021 10:56 a.m. PST |
Errata: That first line in my post above should read "I don't know what their mission is ? "… |
| Jcfrog | 29 Jun 2021 10:09 a.m. PST |
An eye on the Chinese takeover of the over important raw minerals? Big ears big eyes… |
| Caedite Eos | 29 Jun 2021 10:18 a.m. PST |
The Chinese can get all the lithium they need from Africa without screwing around in Afghanistan. |
| Legion 4 | 29 Jun 2021 5:56 p.m. PST |
And they know it … every time someone goes to A'stan it gets "messy" … |
| Legion 4 | 01 Jul 2021 10:12 a.m. PST |
From Military.com … didn't know who all the other nations there were in A'stan with the USA. I thank them for being there to assist, etc. But they are leaving too … Nothing anyone can do about the failed "state". Until they want to do it for themselves. Which won't happen as long as they are living in the distant past … A'stan … good riddance … link |
| Tango01 | 02 Jul 2021 9:21 p.m. PST |
How Long Can The U.S. Embassy In Kabul Stand As The Taliban Make Gains Across The Country
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| Legion 4 | 03 Jul 2021 7:19 a.m. PST |
Those 650 US Troops will have to dig in deep and fortify. Hopefully there will be some Air support of some kind. I'd imagine the 650 with have their own mortars and some FA with them. You can't trust the Taliban, AQ, ISIS, etc. Maybe like cockroaches that come out at night, with the US withdrawing, they may become more "viable" targets. Regardless, I'm afraid it will look like Saigon with the NVA, etc. overrunning the capital. Sooner than later … as the article said Intel thinks 6 months ? Maybe sooner … But bottom line A'stan will become a circus run by the Taliban with Sharia Law, islamic fundamentalism, etc. With many factions coming to the party. AQ, ISIS, warlords, mullahs, etc., etc. They will be living in a Hell they created on their … and No one can do anything about it. At this point and probably ever. Docs w/o Borders, NGOs, etc., etc. Should leave when we leave. Otherwise we may have to go back on a rescue mission(s). Risking our troops lives for some who should not be there under these circumstances. |
| Tango01 | 03 Jul 2021 9:34 p.m. PST |
An Air of Unreality Is Now Griping Kabul As The Afghan Army Crumbles link
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| Legion 4 | 04 Jul 2021 8:44 a.m. PST |
No surprise there … in this type of "civil war" with thugs like the Taliban, AQ, ISIS, etc. Thing probably won't be pretty. Probably some executions in the public square, soccer field, etc. That seems to be the norm with "troglodytes" like these types. A'stan – "the land that time forgot" … and it seems many there like it that way. |
| Barin1 | 05 Jul 2021 6:31 a.m. PST |
It seems that they might not last even 6 months, there's a lot of changing sides and cross-border moves for the Afghan forces.
link I guess when the frontline will come to ODKB country border (Tajikistan) Russia will have to start bomning campaigns to hold Taliban and will be blamed for attacks against poor freedom fighters…by the same people who have created the mess in the first place. |
| Legion 4 | 05 Jul 2021 7:31 a.m. PST |
Generally good points … Yes, 6 months is being hopeful.
by the same people who have created the mess in the first place. You mean the USA ? I'd think at least part of the blame should really go to Pakistan. As I said before in 20/20 hindsight. The USA should have left the USSR & the Muj bleed each other out. That was the CIA's first plan. But supporting the Muj was a reaction for the support that the USSR gave to the NVA. Costing the USA & our allies in South East Asia many, many losses. As the old saying goes ,"Payback is a Mutha' !" … But whether we like it or not … the Russians are more like Americans than the Muj, now the Taliban and the mob of islamic radical fundamentalists in that region & others. E.g. AQ, ISIS, etc. Frankly I'd rather be "friends" with the Russia that islamo-fascists … But as it is we will have to see … |
| Barin1 | 05 Jul 2021 7:47 a.m. PST |
Well, Pakistan is not too active in mass media and various Human Rights organizations – unlike many European countries and USA.
Situation in Syria might give you an idea, who will be on the first line of talking about indiscriminate bombing ( and these bombing might very well happen,as the difference between local militia and islamic fanatic might be just the time of a day).
Pakistan of course played their own part (and hand) in Afghanistan since 1979, but they would not be doing so if at that time were not encouraged by USA.
Nowadays, they're still closing their eyes on way too many things happening and having plenty of their own problems will prefer to have a friendly Taliban as a neighbour as they have no means and will to oppose them. |
| Legion 4 | 05 Jul 2021 8:03 a.m. PST |
All pretty much true … I still have a hard time calling many in the regions with strong islamic fundamentalists, radicals, etc. in their populations as allies or friends. E.g. the Paks are referred to "frienemies" many times some in the US military, etc. And I agree. Some of the gov'ts in the Mid East, etc., are "friendly" with the US gov't. While many in the population may not be. There are few black & white issues. E.g. the KSA vs Iran … a lot of grey areas. And from your previous post: Russia will have to start bomning campaigns to hold Taliban Go for it … There are no "friends" in those ranks. And while you are at it. AQ & ISIS make good targets too … 👍👍 Good hunting … Geopolitics/Realpolitik are pretty much frequently "grey" … |
| Tango01 | 05 Jul 2021 8:53 p.m. PST |
Latest Report Shows US Military Vehicles Falling Into Taliban Hands At A Shocking Alarming Rate
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The Looting Of Bagram Air Base Was Far More Extensive Than What The Media Reported
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| Barin1 | 06 Jul 2021 3:18 a.m. PST |
Bagram base – Military officials say troops turned off power and slipped away without notifying new commander link |
| Legion 4 | 06 Jul 2021 7:06 a.m. PST |
Yes just saw that on the news. There is some question about how the USA left? [IMO … who gives a  ! Get out of that 💩 hole ASAP!!] Regardless this would have happened most likely anyway. My faith in the ANA and ANP is extremely limited at best. Many of them will be heading to one of their borders they can get across, ASAP, IMO … At least we won't see mostly empty US made helicopters landing on CVNs. Then being pushed off into the sea … IIRC similar had happened in the PI when the US left Clark Airbase. There was looting, etc., at that base as well. But that was a long time ago.  Regardless … US Military Vehicles Falling Into Taliban Hands At A Shocking Alarming Rate Similar had happened in 2014 when the Iraqi forces(if you could call them that ?) abandoned vehicles when being in contact with ISIS. IIRC the numbers were : 42 – M1 MBTs, 52 – 155mm M109 SPFA and 2300(?!?) HMMMVs … Plus I saw at least 1 former Iraqi US M1117 ASV in ISIS hands in news footage. link I'm sure there were more … etc., etc. In both Iraq & A'stan, I'm sure many MRAPs also fell into "enemy" hands. Seems to be a habit when we support these type of weak "regimes(?)" … |
| Tango01 | 22 Jul 2021 9:36 p.m. PST |
Afghanistan's Second Largest City (Kandahar City) Is Now Under Siege By The Taliban
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US Launched Several Airstrikes Against The Taliban In Support Of Afghan Forces
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| Legion 4 | 23 Jul 2021 10:00 a.m. PST |
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| Tango01 | 23 Jul 2021 8:52 p.m. PST |
Taliban Claims It Now Controls 90% Of Afghanistan's Borders
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| Legion 4 | 24 Jul 2021 9:09 a.m. PST |
No surprise the ANA/ANP are not or will ever be up to the task of defeating the Taliban, etc. At this point no one could. |
| Legion 4 | 27 Jul 2021 6:09 a.m. PST |
This should have been no surprise … as the beginning of the end continues in A'stan.
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