"Another nice idea for a Spanish unit in 1808" Topic

Nice ideed!…

From Uwe Blog
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Armand

Superbe!
28mm?
Bernard

Bernard,

1/72 seems to be the size.

That is a Gribeauval 4-pdr. It is interesting that the Spanish Horse Artillery were using 4-pdrs bored out to 8-pdrs so very mobile and light using 4-pdr charges and firing 8-pdr ball. A form of gun howitzer.

Happy you like them my friend.

1/72 Indeed…

Armand

This looks cool.

I would assume they are the hired teamsters moving the gun rather than the gun crew?

only train muleteers, not artillerymen, not even military, nor "unit"
simply civilian mule/horse drivers conveyors of the artillery pieces
the reason why Napoleon preferred to militarize the Train of Artillery in France in 1800

Glad you like them too Brian…

Armand

So once the gun is positioned they scarper of the board.

They looks great!…

Uwe Blog
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Armand

Very well done by Massimo and Uwe :-) … and if they need more inspiration, just check the less known series of the Suhr brothers done in 1808: link

Greetings from Berlin
Markus Stein

Thanks!.

Armand

Oh no! I knew I should not have had another look at this post! Now I want a 6mm version from Adler, along with the 6mm Egyptian campaign and camp followers. LOL

That is a Gribeauval 4-pdr. It is interesting that the Spanish Horse Artillery were using 4-pdrs bored out to 8-pdrs so very mobile and light using 4-pdr charges and firing 8-pdr ball. A form of gun howitzer.

Could you perhaps explain how a rebored Gribeauval 4-pounder could be classed as a 'gun-howitzer?'

From the Spanish Army of the Napoleonic Wars (3) 1812-1815 by Rene Chartrand, 21-22:

'One of the handicaps of the Spanish artillery was its reliance on civilian contractors to move the ordnance. As the Spanish Army increasingly became a regular operational force, the problem was addressed by the corps commander, General Garcia Loygorri, who on 4 April 1813 ordered the creation of five French-style 'Tren de Artilleria' (Artillery Train) battalions; a sixth was formed subsequently.'

'The types of guns they moved and served were obviously varied. British howitzers were issued to General Abadia's 'pretty good squadron' of horse artillery in Galicia at the end of 1811, and more British guns went to the Spanish artillery in 1812…However, most guns appear to have been of the French Gribeauval System which had been adopted by the Spanish before the war. Being already familiar with this system they preferred it, and went back to it after the war.'

Thanks Kevin.

Armand

only train muleteers, not artillerymen, not even military, nor "unit"
simply civilian mule/horse drivers conveyors of the artillery pieces
the reason why Napoleon preferred to militarize the Train of Artillery in France in 1800

Civilians or not, they are still a part of the unit they are transporting.

I almost feel like obtaining them, if they are obtainable, even if they are a much larger scale than my usual wargaming miniatures (6mm), just for the sake of painting and basing them up. I bet they would cost quite a bit though? But they do look good and different to the usual wargaming sets. Well done for posting them, Armand.

Yes, they are a handsome set and apparently well-worth having and painting.

I would assume they are the hired teamsters moving the gun rather than the gun crew?

Correct.

So once the gun is positioned they scarper of the board.

Not necessarily. That would depend on the individual hired transporters. They might 'leave' once the shooting started; but then they might not.

By memory … from an Spanish book of that Era … I remember that they kept the horses and transport steady and helped with the transfer of ammunition … also that they used to replace the gunners when they fell in combat. … therefore … not only did they not retreat away from the battle … but they took part of it … as active support at least …

What I am not clear about was how the real gunners got into combat … if they walked close to the cannons or traveled apart in wagons …

Armand

If they were foot artillery they walked.

Right! Not sure if I have I missed something but are these figs going to be available as a set to buy or are they just a one off?