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SgtGuinness Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2021 11:53 a.m. PST

As the title states, I'm trying to paint a Red 18th century cannon carriage over black primer. I've tried several mfgr paints and colors and I'm not pleased with the way any of them look or with the coverage. Any assistance with mfgr's, colors, and techniques would be most appreciated! Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2021 12:03 p.m. PST

Damp brush white first.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2021 12:36 p.m. PST

Yea, if I prime black but need a yellow or a red, I will generally paint white over black. If I want a dull red, I'll paint a couple of coats over black.

Cardinal Ximenez13 Jun 2021 12:54 p.m. PST

You can also spray prime in red and then apply a black or brown wash then highlight.

Personal logo Der Alte Fritz Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Jun 2021 12:57 p.m. PST

The only reason to use black primer on artillery equipment is if you intend to use the dry brushing technique. Otherwise, try Grey primer.

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP13 Jun 2021 1:39 p.m. PST

Use vallejo mahogany brown followed by their red leather and dry brush deep vermillion. Comes up a treat over any colour of primer.

CeruLucifus13 Jun 2021 2:00 p.m. PST

Agree with above. Red paints are translucent so you need a buffer coat underneath. Suggestions above are all good. I use white buffer when I want a pure red. Usually I want a warmer red and use a beige or red brown buffer. For a neutral tone on painted equipment, a gray undercoat may serve well.

dampfpanzerwagon Fezian13 Jun 2021 2:21 p.m. PST

First paint it PINK, then Red.


Frederick Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2021 3:31 p.m. PST

Agree with wise advice above – I myself pretty much always prime red or yellow with white or light grey

SgtGuinness Supporting Member of TMP13 Jun 2021 8:24 p.m. PST

Thanks guys, I will try out the advice! Much appreciated!!!

Perris070713 Jun 2021 8:40 p.m. PST

Over black primer, which I use all the time, paint a base coat of Burgundy red and then paint a bright fiery red over that as a highlight coat. Use this method all the time and it looks great.

Prince Rupert of the Rhine14 Jun 2021 1:32 a.m. PST

For red on black undercoat I've had good results mixing dark brown with my red paint as a first base coat. I find Revell Aqua colour and Games Workshop reds give good coverage on black undercoats. On the other hand Army painter reds are awful over black undercoat.

Martin Rapier14 Jun 2021 6:49 a.m. PST

Over black I usually do a red/brown undercoat before putting red over the top (as noted above, it is translucent).

SHaT198420 Jun 2021 7:42 p.m. PST

Despite what they look like, most colours are made with degree of opacity- reds and yellows are notoriously thin mostly and need the body of a 'stiffener' below them. Black isn't. It absorbs colour like a black hole does.

So you need white under red; and fawn/tan under yellow; brown under gold; then if you really must have a dark edge, you edge with your black or dark grays. Works for me.

(I did colour matching in the crude printing industry 30 years ago, so have a little techcnical background… that was when heavy metal components (heard of titanium white- yes it IS!) and others were being subverted by 'artificial and organic' colourings/ pigments, not at all to the liking of many customers (ie big brands etc.))

\cheers d

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