"Welcome to the American Indian Wars Board" Topic

You voted – TMP link – and here it is! Use it wisely.

Cool.

Good idea.
Surprised there wasn't one already.

Agreed

Surprised it wasn't called the First Nations Board.

Actually the poll voted against it!?

Actually the poll voted against it!?

That's not how "New Boards" polls work.
Dear Editor Bill has decreed (and I'm 100% on board with it) that a New Board poll needs 30 positive votes to set it up.
That means that there are at least 30 members willing to participate. Negative votes are irrelevant.

Surprised it wasn't called the First Nations Board.

You could start a poll to rename the board…

Although First Nations typically refers only to Canadian aboriginal peoples who are not Métis nor Inuit.

I don't know if there is a blanket term for Native Americans throughout the American continents.

I have been told by the "politically aware" that "First Nations" is now considered an archaic, insulting and unacceptable term now in Canada where I live. I have been scoffed at for using it in conversation. What term we are suppose to be using changes so frequently just I can't keep up.

Glengarry isn't it "indigenous peoples" now up in the north?

Sounds good! I probably will learn something from it. Thanks!

I work at a university with students from over two dozen tribes, have numerous colleagues and friends who are Indians and am married to a Cherokee. I can assure you that the preferred term in the US is Indian, not First Nations or Native American. That said, most of my Indian friends, colleagues and in-laws tend to to identify with their own particular tribe as opposed to the generic term Indian. So in short, your designation Bill is certainly appropriate.

Thanks.

Thanks Kevin C, good information to know.

BTW, so if 30 people request a John the OFM board does that mean that we get one. ( ducks and runs away from the hand grenade)

Kevin C – Thanks. I have been assaulted for bringing up the point that people identify by their tribe rather than a collective group across the continent(s). Apparently I didn't have enough [XYZ] cred for them.

My own relatives were likewise not impressed with "First Nations" when it was popular. They said their tribe wasn't the first nation in the area, just the first nation run into by the new tribes (Caucasians) moving in.

And as long as I am at it, "redskins" was the French trapper translated self-name for various Great Lakes tribes (my relatives) in the 1500's, along with "paleface". The actual terms were more like "earth skin" and "ashen face" (with tribal dependent variants), but the French didn't use object references for colours, they had colour names. So they were idiomatically translated. And because the trappers had a common (economic) culture, they standardized on those terms.

The problem many tribes had with the term was not the revisionist history garbage about scalps. It was that just because a certain group of tribes tended to use those terms in communications with the newcomers didn't mean all tribes on both continents used them. Again, people missing the point on individual tribe history and culture versus some mythic collective culture. You might as well believe any other skin colour grouping has some actual meaning with respect to culture, background, experiences, or anything else about a person that is meaningful.

Wait … ! 🤔 I used the term "Indian" and someone complained. So Bill replaced it with "Native American" … IIRC …

I was referring to the Boston Tea Party in that post … and those were colonists were loosely dressed as "Indians" AFAIK … So they were not Indians or even "Native Americans"

Corrected to 'Native Americans' as one of our Indian members complained.

😯

I think if this is the case at least one Native American on TMP has spoken … 😎

But as Kevin C. pointed out, the few "Native Americans" I know, don't get really upset about being called "Indians" … 🙂 But mention their Tribe's name in conversation at times …

I even understand that many didn't mind the name of the former Washington DC football team either …

BTW, so if 30 people request a John the OFM board does that mean that we get one. ( ducks and runs away from the hand grenade)

As I said many years ago, if nominated I shall not run. If elected I shall not serve.
And if such a poll were run, I would immediately quit TMP. Permanently.

I'm a card carrying member of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma. American Indian Wars board looks great. Let's leave the PC stuff in the garbage where it belongs.

Well if Choctaw is what he claims to be, that must close the whole issue. Others like him/her have said the same, drop the PC nonsense.

It is not the folk who might have been insulted that are actually pushing for name change. It is the "wolk" generation, looking for a cause.

Over here it is "Colonialism", which the US espoused (I will not mention the exceptions west of LA as the US was never colonialist…they were dependencies or some such term) Trust me, we have statue issues making the front page, even of our more respectable papers

Well, there's an NFL solution for The Washington Football Team. They should rename the team the Washington Nacotchtank.

Our daughter's husband is 1/4 Cherokee (his mother is
1/2) That family self identifies as Cherokee.

Had a lady with whom we shared antique shop space for
5 years. She identified herself as a member of the
Occaneechi Band of the Saponi Nation.

Let's leave the PC stuff in the garbage where it belongs.

Bingo !!! 👍👍

They should rename the team the Washington Nacotchtank.

Yes any of the local Indian tribes' names would work, IMO. The logo alone is a good reason to use a "Native" American name. Very nice.

The US Army's 2d Infantry Div's shoulder patch, been around since WWI. Is has a very nicely done American Indian Chief with full feathered head dress. I have not heard about any problem with that. Served with 2ID '84-'85 … link

Note: All but one US Army Helicopter, the Cobra, are named after American Indian tribes. E.g. Chinook, Blackhawk, Apache, etc. Don't think anyone has complained about that either …

Note: All but one US Army Helicopter, the Cobra, are named after American Indian tribes. E.g. Chinook, Blackhawk, Apache, etc. Don't think anyone has complained about that either …

As long as nobody names any of the government's recent abysmal failures in acquisition after a tribe, effective combat platforms should be fine. :)

I seem to remember some fuss about the paratroopers' jumping-into-to-battle cry "Geronimo" that was appropriated by US Navy SEALs on an actually-not-that-recent incursion into Pakistan(how time flies) to signal 'mission accomplished.'

Damn' cheek, stealing an Army slogan.

And, of course it should have been 'Jeronimo.'

Maybe an important point to note, this sub-board, or thread, appears under Renaissance, 18th, and 19th Century primary boards.

With this setup and crossposting to the F&I and AWI sub-boards, it seems to be an effective and hopefully efficient arrangement. Thanks.

As long as nobody names any of the government's recent abysmal failures in acquisition after a tribe, effective combat platforms should be fine. :)

Let's hope so !

Damn' cheek, stealing an Army slogan.

All members of the US Military go thru Parachute training at the US Army's Airborne School at Ft. Benning, GA. IIRC even the CIA used to send agents there too ?

I know we had USMC & SEALs in my Airborne Class back in the early '80s.

When I was a Rifle Plt Leader in the 101, '80-'81. My Co. XO talked about when he went thru, there were a small group of "individuals" in his Class, referred to as "Causals". They wore sterile Jungle Fatigues, had long hair & beards. The Class was told not to talk to, or interact, etc., with these "Causals" … CIA … maybe/probably?

Back more OT, again as some have said, keep the PC 🐎💩 where it belongs … I totally agree …

Conflicts with Native Americans in the American Revolution, FIW and War of 1812 should be in those boards.

There should be a Plains Indian Wars board or a 19th Cent. Native American Wars Board.

Indian wars were different enough to warrant their own board as for example, the Seminole War. Wars against the Comanche and Apache were very different affairs. It is a deep rabbit whole. Then you find a can of worms.

I don't see any problem at all with discussing any wars which included American Indians (or First Nations for our Canadian neighbors).

It would also be very helpful for this board to be a success. Subjects that include the War of the Revolution, the French and Indian War, and the War of 1812 can always be crossposted to those boards.

Lovely, a new board.

I live in Central Florida and am a Seminole Indian Wars reenactor and a miniatures wargamer so I look forward to this board.

If you are near Central Florida the first weekend in January the Dade Battlefield reenactment is presented in an excellent fashion and is well attended by the public. It's not often you see warriors riding Seminole Ponie through the pines while soldiers are firing a cannon. A Seminole Pony is also known as a Marsh Tacky.

Here is a list of Seminole Indian War reenactments and encampments. Encampments do not include a battle.

January Dade Battlefield reenactment near Bushnell, FL

January Battle of Loxahatchee near Jupiter, FL

February Encampment re 1837 skirmish at Camp Fanning near Sanford, FL

February Fort Foster battle reenactment east of Tampa

February Battle of Ocheechobee reenactment

March Fort Chokonikla/Payne's Creek skirmish near Bowling Green, FL

March Fort Cooper battle near Inverness, FL

November Fort Christmas 1836 militia encampment near east Orlando

December Fort King 1835 encampment near Ocala, FL

I live in Central Florida and am a Seminole Indian Wars reenactor and a miniatures wargamer so I look forward to this board.

If you are near Central Florida the first weekend in January the Dade Battlefield reenactment is presented in an excellent fashion and is well attended by the public. It's not often you see warriors riding Seminole Ponie through the pines while soldiers are firing a cannon. A Seminole Pony is also known as a Marsh Tacky.

Here is a list of Seminole Indian War reenactments and encampments. Encampments do not include a battle.

January Dade Battlefield reenactment near Bushnell, FL

January Battle of Loxahatchee near Jupiter, FL

February Encampment re 1837 skirmish at Camp Fanning near Sanford, FL

February Fort Foster battle reenactment east of Tampa

February Battle of Ocheechobee reenactment

March Fort Chokonikla/Payne's Creek skirmish near Bowling Green, FL

March Fort Cooper battle near Inverness, FL

November Fort Christmas 1836 militia encampment near east Orlando

December Fort King 1835 encampment near Ocala, FL

Thanks for that list.

Bravo !