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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP15 May 2021 3:26 a.m. PST

Hello everyone,

I am looking for a book (except the Ospreys that I know) in French or in english languages on the theoretical organizations and manpower of all the unit types of the French, German, US and British land forces (and of other armies why not …) everything throughout the Great War, thank you.

Paskal

khanscom15 May 2021 7:11 a.m. PST

I doubt that you'll find all of that in a single volume, but will probably have to research multiple sources. For the U.S. army this work may be useful if you can find it:
"The Genesis of the American First Army", U.S. Govt. Printing Office, Washington 1938. Includes TO as of 5/3/17, provisional TO 7/15/17, modified 8/8/17, and final TO 11/11/18.

Nine pound round15 May 2021 11:59 a.m. PST

The British official history included something like five volumes specifically devoted to orders of battle. Here are some cites with publishing info from Wikipedia- they may include the information you're looking for:

Order of Battle
Becke, Major A. F. (1935). Order of Battle of Divisions: The Regular British Divisions Part 1. History of the Great War Based on Official Documents (1st ed.). London: HMSO. OCLC 929528172.
Addenda and corrigenda sheets with parts 3A and 3B; republished Roy Westlake Books 1989, IWM-NMP 2009.

Becke, A. F. (1936). Order of Battle of Divisions: The Territorial Force Mounted Divisions and the 1st-Line Territorial Force Divisions (42nd–56th) Part 2A. History of the Great War Based on Official Documents (1st ed.). London: HMSO. OCLC 929528206.
Three addenda and corrigenda sheets issued with parts 3A, 3B and 4, republished Roy Westlake Books 1989, IWM-NMP 2009.

Becke, A. F. (1937). Order of Battle of Divisions: The 2nd-Line Territorial Force Divisions (57th–69th) with the Home Service Divisions (71st–73rd) and 74th and 75th Divisions Part 2B. History of the Great War Based on Official Documents (1st ed.). London: HMSO. OCLC 929528344.
Three addenda and corrigenda sheets issued with parts 3A, 3B and 4, republished Roy Westlake Books 1988, IWM-NMP 2009.

Becke, A. F. (1938). Order of Battle of Divisions: New Army Divisions (9th–26th) Part 3A. History of the Great War Based on Official Documents (1st ed.). London: HMSO. OCLC 421375028.
Three addenda and corrigenda sheets with parts 3A, 3B and 4, republished by Roy Westlake Books with Part 3B as one volume 1989, IWM-NMP 2009.
Becke, A. F. (1945). Order of Battle of Divisions: New Army Divisions (30th–41st) and 63rd (RN) Division Part 3B. History of the Great War Based on Official Documents (1st ed.). London: HMSO. OCLC 493146758.
Addenda and corrigenda sheet issued, republished Roy Westlake Books with Part 3A as one volume 1989, IWM-NMP 2009.

Becke, A. F. (1945). Order of Battle of Divisions: The Army Council, G.H.Q.s, Armies and Corps, 1914–1918 Part 4. History of the Great War Based on Official Documents (1st ed.). London: HMSO. OCLC 650201154.
Addenda and corrigenda sheet issued with the volume and with Military Operations: Italy. Republished Roy Westlake Books 1989, IWM-NMP 2009.

Personal logo Dal Gavan Supporting Member of TMP15 May 2021 3:17 p.m. PST

G'day, Pascal.

link will take you to a good Australian page, mate. The equipment, apart from uniforms, was either supplied by the British or copies of British equipment made in Australia (eg the SMLE rifles), and the organisation was British, so may help with the British and British Empire (Canada, NZ, etc) as well. The ORBAT also includes the ANZAC and British Imperial Mounted Divisions.

Also look at link . About half way down the page it gives the organisation of an infantry battalion down to platoon level.

Sorry, don't have anything on the Light Horse and Artillery, but they would have had the same organisation as the British forces.

Cheers.

Martin Rapier16 May 2021 1:06 a.m. PST

The WW1 Source book by Haythornthwaite, and the WW1 Data Book by Ellis has what you after, the latter in mind numbing detail if you are interested in orders of Battle.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2021 6:22 a.m. PST

Thank you all,

I continue to research because at the end of the year I am buying several kilos of figurines for the last year of this war, but I am careful, because I do not want to waste money on unnecessary books.

Martin,I just bought The WW1 Source book by Haythornthwaite and the the WW1 Data Book by Ellis …

I hope to find in it what interests me in these two books.

Blutarski17 May 2021 2:12 p.m. PST

By late 1917, the British Army on the Western Front was getting very short of men. Most of the divisions were well below TO&E in terms of manpower.

Here is a month-by-month tabulation of frontages (in kms) held by the respective Entente nations on the Western Front in 1918 -

1918 – - Britain – - France – -Belgium – - USA
Jan – - – 187 – - – - 520 – - – - 37 – - – 10
Feb – - – 187 – - – - 504 – - – - 37 – - – 26
Mar – - – 187 – - – - 502 – - – - 37 – - – 28
Apr – - – 148 – - – - 559 – - – - 37 – - – 50
May – - – 133 – - – - 577 – - – - 37 – - – 55
Jun – - – 133 – - – - 626 – - – - 37 – - – 58
Jul – - – 148 – - – - 569 – - – - 37 – - – 100
Aug – - – 150 – - – - 447 – - – - 37 – - – 126
Sep – - – 140 – - – - 388 – - – - 37 – - – 157
Oct – - – 133 – - – - 393 – - – - 24 – - – 152
Nov – - – 113 – - – - 355 – - – - 40 – - – 134

FWIW.

B

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP19 May 2021 12:04 a.m. PST

Thank you Blutarski,

But if you could post the theoretical manpower and especially the organization of all the small units of all the armies on the western front in the last year of the war, that would be interesting. Thank you.

marco56 Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2021 1:36 p.m. PST

Check here. link
Mark

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP26 May 2024 8:04 a.m. PST

@marco56

Thanks.

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