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Malchor13 May 2021 8:50 a.m. PST

Finally noted the difference in spelling of last names.

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP13 May 2021 7:42 p.m. PST

The Banzai! and Angrieff guy? I was on a Wargamers Digest Yahoo group years ago and several people had tried to contact him to try and get rights to reprint his old rules sets. No one was able to find him or the rights holder.

I wish you good luck.

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Malchor14 May 2021 8:47 a.m. PST

Yes, The Banzai! and Angrieff guy.

I was originally going to ask this Richard Zimmerman was the same as a R. Zimmermann who worked on wargames for TAC for the army. Then I finally noted one-n versus two-n. Doh!

That said, Angrieff seems highly underrated, especially given the time it came out. As does Z&M Publishing Enterprises for being an early wargames publishing group that had a fairly decent run for a number of years.

Buck21514 May 2021 11:24 a.m. PST

I thought this was the "R. Zimmerman" from the old Cheech & Chong comedy routine off their album, "Los Cochinos":

"Hi, I'm R. Zimmerman of the American Cancer Society, and I used to smoke about twenty packs of cigarettes a day. But now that I've lost one of my lungs, I've cut my smoking in half!"

Hey, it's Cheech & Chong…

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP14 May 2021 10:12 p.m. PST

Malchor, yes I loved Angrieff it was a great set of rules, and very self contained. You did not need a dozen add on sets.

Good luck to you.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Normal Guy Supporting Member of TMP15 May 2021 3:48 p.m. PST

Thanks for the pleasant reminders of the first set of rules I ever played and the good times I had with it.

Clays Russians19 May 2021 3:41 p.m. PST

Remember the extra 1mm of armor on a tiger 1 gun mantlet that saved you from being cooked" by a 76mm gun? Anyone?

Sturmdivision08 Sep 2022 10:26 a.m. PST

I was just talking with a friend of mine who remembers playing in a large 25mm Napoleonic wargame (20+ players) staged at a school gymnasium here in Wisconsin back in the late 1960s. Richard Zimmerman was a teacher there (and gamer of course) and secured the use of the gym. My friend thinks he later became a school principal somewhere, maybe at that same school.

He knows someone who may have kept in touch with Rich over the years. I'll get back on this when I learn any more.

Sturmdivision10 Sep 2022 12:32 p.m. PST

My friend says Wargamer's Digest published an article on their big Napoleonic game they played (the one involving Richard J. Zimmerman) some time between 1974-76. The June 1976 issue has an article entitled "Leipzig As A Wargame – 10,500 miniatures Battle" This could be the one. Can anyone check on this? I have some back-issues of the magazine but not that particular one.

My friend thinks the game was played at a middle school in Racine or Kenosha (WI) where Richard Zimmerman was either a teacher or vice-principal at the time.

Marc33594 Supporting Member of TMP12 Sep 2022 6:57 a.m. PST

I have that issue, first of two parts, June issue. Mentions it was sought in the Milwaukee area on January 24, 1976. Also mentions it was fought on a school gymnasium floor. July issue has pictures of the battle and at least one has Dick Zimmermann identified in the picture. Note the spelling of the name. Some of the others named are Steve Rebiger, Dick Heaps, Arthur Witt, Keith Johannsen, Tom Arnez, Bill Protz, Ken Mrozak, Tom Glesson and Mark Raasch.

On my copies of Angriff it is R Zimmermann so could be one and the same.

I am in the process of moving so any other details from the articles you will have to wait.

Sturmdivision12 Sep 2022 8:36 a.m. PST

Marc, thanks for finding that! I didn't realize the article spanned two issues. Keith Johannsen is the friend I mentioned and he knows Bill Protz, who was also cited in the article. I believe Bill organized the game. Both are still here in Milwaukee and are active gamers. In fact Bill often posts here under the "General Pettygree" stories. I will have to contact him and ask about Richard. Maybe he still keeps in touch with him.

Personal logo Artorius Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2024 1:25 p.m. PST

Back in the days of yesteryear, my friend Ron and I were exploring our first miniature gaming projects. I had a copy of Zimmerman's Wargamers Guide, which were my first purchased rules, and we wrote him a letter asking for advice on a project. We got a very gracious letter in reply. This was in the 70s.

We found it funny that his name was the same as the R. Zimmerman in the Cheech and Chong bit. We used to joke about Dick writing us from his iron lung.

Personal logo Artorius Supporting Member of TMP14 Mar 2024 1:29 p.m. PST

Bill Protz' Wargamer's Guide to the English Civil War were probably the second set of rules I bought way back in the 70s. I played them a few times back then using Minifigs strip 15s. I've always had a soft spot for them and have both the original blue cover version and the red-covered 2nd edition. I will always regard people like Bill and Dick Zimmerman as giants.

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