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just joe30 Apr 2021 1:01 a.m. PST

their uniforms flags?

Artilleryman30 Apr 2021 2:00 a.m. PST

Here is a site with information that might help.

link

SHaT198430 Apr 2021 3:05 a.m. PST

No flags. They only had two companies of foot jaeger/ schutzen.

Find an 1800 jager and copy those in green coats. That's the next best thing. See my unit--

IMG_4592_sm 1805 Vienna Freikorps.

To make a complete battalion size unit I added 3 bases of additional fusilier uniformed figures in grey.

They were a lot more organised for 1809. Because there was a uniform reference to pre-1805 uniform having green combs, I did a few figures with this facet. I will dig it out in morning…

Here's an earlier 1797 issue-- link


All I got!
cheers d

von Winterfeldt30 Apr 2021 3:49 a.m. PST

Nice link, the Corps der Studenten – armed with the Crespi breach loading carbine.

just joe30 Apr 2021 4:20 a.m. PST

dear SHaT1984 thanks for this info one day my Battlefield wil be finished 10=ratio 1

just joe30 Apr 2021 5:27 a.m. PST
just joe30 Apr 2021 5:31 a.m. PST

picture
as wel

just joe30 Apr 2021 12:23 p.m. PST

i wil use old glory's austrian 25mm jágers grts just joe

SHaT198430 Apr 2021 3:29 p.m. PST

>>link

that of course, and photo intention I presume, being 1809 styles… d

And in an exercise in 'shooting myself in the foot' I find I couldn't have gotten the figures more wrong- let's blame PJH and Osprey because I had painted these a decade ago but only finished in 2020. Seems the 'full dress' and campaign dress attributes had been throughly confused. Or I copied the 'Upper Austria' volunteers instead. Either way my unit isn't perfect.

From 1800 I believe--

ViennaFreikorps Schutzen.

That 1809 chappie--

z35 Sgt Landwehr 1809_©dww 2021
by DaveW, on Flickr.

I see you used Ascerbis figure, so you should note his text--
The Sharpshooters
The correct title was K.K. priv. ritterlich-bürgerliches Scharfschützen-Corps and was composed by all social classes and authorized citizens who had honorary mentions. Gala uniform: dark green waistcoat, scarlet red facings, golden buttons and epaulettes, white breeches, military boots, bicorn reversed hats with green and gold rosettes, one golden band with, at its end, a hunting horn, which had in the middle a golden button with the letters F.I. surrounder by laurel symbol. The hats had a classic black-yellow plume.

Campaign uniform: coat and breeches dark grey, dark green facings and piping (shoulder straps). They were armed with the 63 cm Stutzen, steel sabre with golden-black porte d'epée, the powder-horn and cartridge bag.

regards -d

von Winterfeldt30 Apr 2021 9:58 p.m. PST

You have also the Wiener Grenadier Corps

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just joe01 May 2021 12:01 a.m. PST

il use old glory's austrian 25mm jágers grts no 1809 like the topic says thanks any way guys just joe

Stoppage01 May 2021 2:26 a.m. PST

@vw

The last picture on Tango1's post:

TMP – Prussian Grenadiers

Shows the structure of the bearskin cap – a round cap with built-up front. The picture of the Wiener Grenadiers shows that the Austrian version was similar – but with fur all around.

von Winterfeldt01 May 2021 4:02 a.m. PST

There Tango is on my stifle, I don't know what he posts directly.

Stoppage01 May 2021 5:29 a.m. PST

@vw

Fair enough

This picture shows them – the interest being the un-common side-depiction of the cap:

Facebook – Perry Miniatures – Prussian Grenadiers by Stephan Huber

just joe01 May 2021 7:46 a.m. PST

vienna is in Austria might be mistaken joe

Prince of Essling01 May 2021 9:16 a.m. PST

Oesterreichische Landwehr und Bürgergarde 1805 link

von Winterfeldt01 May 2021 9:59 a.m. PST

the Prussian grenadier cap – replacing the hat – was a bit odd – I didn't like it, till I saw the miniatures, and now having them, I think they look splendid.

I am painting Prussian grenadiers of 1792 in 18 mm from Sho Boki, in that period a hat with a white plume.

just joe01 May 2021 10:50 a.m. PST

as so far i know vienna is in ausstira

SHaT198401 May 2021 1:55 p.m. PST

>>You have also the Wiener Grenadier Corps

Yes there are, but I'm understanding joe, like me, is more interested in who 'may' have been c~Austerlitz.
I'm always fairly cautious about uniforms that depict components that aren't "usually part of the army uniform". Such as the aiguilettes, epaulettes, and 'chain' on the bearskin. Seems these could be attributes 'acquired' from the conquered (figuratively or literally); and these fine gentleman volunteers illustrated have been 'upgraded' from actual austere Austrian uniforms for PR purposes at a later date.
After all the Brits did it too- e.g. Grenadier bearskin.

It appears the Volunteer Jaeger/Schützen were retained at the Artillerie parc (guard?) at Ölmutz and only came up with the two 'Reserve' batteries that appeared later in the afternoon. Whilst the artillery gets a mention, nothing about the jaeger/ schutzen.

@PoE -that's an interesting document. Anyone translate the French note as handwriting eldues me. I was led to understand that such 'formal' Landwehr wasn't organised before 1809- yet these appear to be are, or very similar, uniforms.

And, if you want bizarre, what about the 'Potemkin' bearskin (was it?).
regards d

Stoppage01 May 2021 10:59 p.m. PST

@just joe

Yes – Vienna is in Austria.

VonW posted a picture of the Vienna Grenadier Corps. The figure on the right has good detail of the back of the bearskin cap.

Apparently the French called the Austrian Grenadier cap – "un fauteuil" – an armchair (een leunstoel).

The post about the Prussian Grenadiers was about their bearskin cap (perhaps "ein Sessel").

Erzherzog Johann02 May 2021 7:14 p.m. PST

Haythornthwaite's Osprey 176 (Austrian Army 1 Infantry) says pike grey coat and breeches, helmet with hunting horn and Austrian arms, black crest and green feather, green collar (and epaulettes???), black gaiters and leatherwork. So interesting but not exactly colourful.

Cheers,
John

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