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Beeker14 Apr 2021 5:54 a.m. PST

A question for those familiar with Hussar Reg't No. 7 and possibly also the evolution of the Soumy Hussar uniform in Russia in the late 1700's:

So, is it yellow shabraque with blue wolf's teeth or blue shabraque with yellow wolf's teeth?

I've seen pictures (see recent post on dismounted hussars) that show both. Seems this can also be extended to the Russian Soumy Hussar Reg't which patterned itself on Prussia's reg't #7 (i'm assuming????).

Almost all Hussar regiments in Prussian and Russian before the 19th C seem to have shabraques that match the colour of the pelisse. Was Reg't #7 and possibly Soumy (and other Russian Hussar regiments) outliers?

Seeking clarification and / or corrections to the above.

All responses appreciated in advance!
B.

Badgerlock14 Apr 2021 10:56 a.m. PST

For the Prussians HR7/Malachowski, all the sources I have to hand say light blue with yellow 'teeth', edged white.

Beeker14 Apr 2021 1:05 p.m. PST

Hi Badgerlock – thanks for your input.

I've gone to the History in 1/72 blog referenced in the post below for "Dismounted Hussars": link

If you scroll down there are 5 images.. the last two have the shabraque in yellow. The last one – the trumpeter – looks to be the oldest and most authentic of all the representations. Yours.. or anyones thoughts on this? A mistake?

best!
B.

Spoercken14 Apr 2021 9:12 p.m. PST

According to all my sources, the Sum aka Sumski aka Soumski Hussar Regiment had a turquoise pelisse and shabraque (with white teeth) until 1809, then it changed to grey (shabraque with red teeth).

HTH,
Peter

Spoercken14 Apr 2021 10:18 p.m. PST

And yes, since you talk about the late 1700s there have been the so called Yellow Hussars before, I believe only from 1760 to 1761, which were formed from Pandurs and Serbian Hussars.

But when they became the Sumskoi Hussars (in 1765?), their pelisse and shabraque changed to black (blue shabraque teeth). Starting from 1775/1776, instead of the teeth, the shabraque had a straight yellow edging (as per O. Leonov). This uniform lasted until 1796.

Beeker15 Apr 2021 11:17 a.m. PST

Awesome – thank you Spoercken!

Just for clarification, what year(s) did the shabraques transition from black (blue teeth) to turqoise (white teeth?)

I wonder if it is possible that #7 also transitioned between yellow and blue shabraques before or during the 7yw and then afterwards throughout the remainder of the 18th Centrury.

Many thanks for this again!
B.

Spoercken19 Apr 2021 9:26 a.m. PST

Beeker, the change must have taken place in 1775. I don't know much about Prussian Hussar regiments, but I do not believe that – just because a pattern has been copied – this would continue through all uniform changes. Just my thoughts…

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