"Oxen for limbers" Topic

I don't think I ever read the Russians or Prussians ever used oxen for limbers. Frederick's era maybe but not in the Napoleonic wars. I assume for wagons everyone used any animal able to haul loads.
Am I wrong, would be neat to load one of my limbers with enough if I could find them.

I think the Spanish may have used oxen in the Peninsular, but they're the only ones I reckon.

I think also the British used oxen to pull some of the guns in the siege train. I seem to remember reading about a complaint that they were so slow.

Well, in 15mm Museum Miniatures has some unharnessed oxen in their line

I was thinking siege guns.I am thinking wagons and could make up harness with the thread I am using.

I use a few in my Sikh Wars armies.

For the Napoleonic period, I have only read about the Spanish using them. Actually, I believe the Ottomans used them as well.

Agreed – oxen were a last resort for armies that had no better options (and for siege guns)

Wellington's dispatches in the Peninsula contain numerous references to mules and oxen as his preferred draught animals for the siege artillery, supply and bridging trains, so that horses could be reserved for the field artillery and cavalry. One engineering officer, a Lieutenant Piper, informed the Duke that oxen could move the equipment as well as horses, but they were of hardier constitution and less fussy about their forage. I do not have any concrete information about these practices in other armies, but it's hard to imagine that none of them had come to this same conclusion. See Rathbone, Julian "Wellington's War – His Peninsular Dispatches" and Kirby, Troy "The Duke of Wellington and the Supply System in the Peninsular War". Van Creveld's "Supplying War" may have something on this topic, but I seem to have misplaced my copy temporarily.

The following information can be found in John Elting's Swords Around a Throne on the pages indicated:

In the Grande Armee oxen that were ‘confiscated' were sent to the army parc.-316.

Oxen were used as a substitute for draft animals when horses and mules ran short or were hard to replace. In 1812 they were used instead of horses in some of the French train battalions and in the 2d Italian train battalion. They were also used to haul the heavy equipment in the artillery and engineer parcs. Davout's trains in I Corps used oxen to pull light wagons. The oxen were used as food when the wagons were empty.-320.

One Italian supply train battalions of the Kingdom of Italy in 1811 was drawn by oxen.-392.

Preparing for Russia early in 1812, the 20th, 21st, 22d, and 23d supply train battalions were assigned oxen as draft animals.-569.

For the use of draft animals by the British in the Peninsula, see The Dickson Manuscripts, five volumes.

In 6mm Irregular Miniatures in the Alamo section has oxen drawn limbers if your looking for some.

Van Creveld's "Supplying War" may have something on this topic, but I seem to have misplaced my copy temporarily.

I did read the first two chapters and he doesn't seem to comment on the use of oxen either in the earlier period or the Napoleonic Wars. Capture 3 is von Moltke the Elder and railways.