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KeepYourPowderDry14 Mar 2021 11:49 p.m. PST

As is now traditional on a Monday the latest RoH are presented to the world. As usual history, battle 'honours' and more pictures link

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takeda33315 Mar 2021 1:31 a.m. PST

Ahhh my Monday eye candy. Excellent unit!

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP15 Mar 2021 1:41 a.m. PST

Very good Sir!

A good prompt to get some painting done myself!

Captain dEwell15 Mar 2021 1:48 a.m. PST

Excellent painting and a hugely interesting history. Much appreciate your work here.

I would value your input. I'm interested in creating a similar cavalry unit for the (unpopular) George, Lord Digby, Charles I Secretary of State, but apparently no cornet/cornet design is recorded. I am aware that his family Coat-of-Arms is a white fleur-de-lis on blue. Where would you go on this one?

Of additional interest his Colonel, Thomas Weston (later, 4th Earl of Portland), appears to have led the regiment most times. Would you expect his colours to be represented instead of Digby's.

I find it remarkable that Crispe's and Digby's regiments fought in almost the same battles and skirmishes so your posting today is a great inspiration to complete my painting. thumbs up

Thanks KYPD

Timbo W15 Mar 2021 3:21 a.m. PST

Hi all,

Great unit as ever KYPD

Capt D'E, as far as I remember no cornets from Lord Digby's rgt are known. Sadly this is the case for most regiments, only a small proportion have any surviving info on flags. There are several Royalist cornet designs known from those captured by the Parliamentarians for which the regiment is unknown so I usually use those for rgts with no known cornets.

Saying that, there's a fair chance Digby used blue flags to match his arms, and perhaps used a plain blue flag on patterened fabric for his colonel's troop. No certainty of course.

KeepYourPowderDry15 Mar 2021 3:50 a.m. PST

Thanks all.

For conjectural flags I always look at coats of arms. For foot I pick out a predominant colour (not black usually) and run a colonel (plain) or Lt colonel (plain with At George canton).

Regiments of horse are much more problematic. Colonel's colours often revolve around coat of arms, but not consistently. You could go white field with full coat of arms, or pick the predominant colour and add a motif from the arms – in this case white Fleur de lys. Problematic as Henrietta Maria's cornet is blue with white fdl. A very French combination.
I think I would go white field with simplified coat of arms so as to avoid any confusion with the Queen.

KeepYourPowderDry15 Mar 2021 3:51 a.m. PST

But that is part of the appeal of the ECW – nobody knows so you have artistic licence!

Captain dEwell15 Mar 2021 4:58 a.m. PST

Thanks for both your responses.

I had thought of using an unattributed cornet design but was hesitating over what motto might be closest to George, Lord Digby's take on life (given that he was a bit of a horses's ar5e!).

1st Corp in their range of ECW cavalry command depict a fld (whether by design or co-incidence) that is helpful.

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(with thanks to 1st Corps)

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For Colonel Weston, I have his family's motto, so again a scroll design with the motto might suffice. As you say, that's the beauty of gaming the ECW, so much can be your own choice.

Keep up the good work, very impressive.

KeepYourPowderDry15 Mar 2021 5:38 a.m. PST

∆ that's Prince of Wales feathers, Fleur de lys are the scout association thingy. But as it is Monday I'll let you off 😉. (I'm having a shocker of a Monday, it's lunchtime and I am already counting down until I can draw a line under the day and start again tomorrow!)

Captain dEwell15 Mar 2021 5:47 a.m. PST

Understood. Furthermore, as George Digby's father was still alive I believe George would not have been entitled to use the emblem as his own.

Back to the scrolls and a suitable motto, if I can find one.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP15 Mar 2021 10:21 a.m. PST

Nicely done!

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP15 Mar 2021 12:35 p.m. PST

Continued excellent paint work.

martin

GurKhan15 Mar 2021 2:58 p.m. PST

"as George Digby's father was still alive I believe George would not have been entitled to use the emblem as his own."

Interestingly the wikipedia page on George shows his arms, with a star as cadency mark on the Digby blue-with-white-fleur quarter – although thw star is normally the distinction for the third son, and he seems to have been the eldest, so was his father from a cadet branch?

KeepYourPowderDry16 Mar 2021 12:08 p.m. PST

Thanks all

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2021 2:01 p.m. PST

Another excellent regiment, this one for the King. God save him!

KeepYourPowderDry21 Mar 2021 11:06 p.m. PST

Thanks S

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