"Childhood Diet Has Lifelong Impact – You Are What You..." Topic

… Eat AND What You Ate as a Child

"Eating too much fat and sugar as a child can alter your microbiome for life, even if you later learn to eat healthier, a new study in mice suggests.

The study by UC Riverside researchers is one of the first to show a significant decrease in the total number and diversity of gut bacteria in mature mice fed an unhealthy diet as juveniles.

"We studied mice, but the effect we observed is equivalent to kids having a Western diet, high in fat and sugar and their gut microbiome still being affected up to six years after puberty," explained UCR evolutionary physiologist Theodore Garland…."

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Amicalement
Armand

"Patriotism is the memory of foods eaten in childhood."

-Lin Yutang

"Patriotism is the memory of foods eaten in childhood."

Diabetes and cardiovascular diseases too.
Which is not intended as a comment on Patriotism.
Not to be misunderstood.

And there are indications in epigenetics that the motherly diet during pregnancy has long lasting influence on the metabolism of the child.
Even over more than one generation.
Transgenerational epigenetic inheritance on Wikipedia

…
And in case you're looking for the connection to wargaming, Judge Dredds League of the Fatties is a growing problem of armed forces around the world.

And US based members of this forum may be interested in what the VHA has to say about this his …ahem… growing task.
The Obesity Epidemic in the Veterans Health Administration

P.s
I only use the US as an example because there is a separate health care system for veterans there, as far as I understand it correctly.
Other countries have organized their health care systems differently.
But the overwhelming majority of members here is US based.

(smile)

Armand

I only use the US as an example because there is a separate health care system for veterans there, as far as I understand it correctly.
Other countries have organized their health care systems differently.
But the overwhelming majority of members here is US based.

Yes you are correct. The VA here takes pretty good care of us. Even a few, very few from WWII I have seen there too. I am very fortunate to have been a Vet and qualified for many things the VA provides.

Many in the US do not have good health care, if any.

But all that being said … since I got out of the Army decades ago … I'm … well … have put on a "little" weight. As I am reminded of every time I go to the VA …

I am what I ate as a kid?

Mmmmm Spam!!!!!!

😲

@etotheipi

Is that you Rob Zombie?

Well, I used to look a bit like Terence Stamp in Superman II from 1984.
And I'm somewhat in the middle of them, but both with a horseshoe moustache.

[Image borrowed from liveabout/WB]

@etotheipi

Are those a Jedi with activated lightsaber and the Death Star II above your monitor?

@Legion 4

I am very fortunate to have been a Vet and qualified for many things the VA provides.

This is something I wish you to enjoy as long as possible.
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Many in the US do not have good health care, if any.

Which is somthing I'm sure you folks over the pond have adressed and will adress again.
As the saying goes
"Americans Will Always Do the Right Thing — After Exhausting All the Alternatives"
That quote on quoteinvestigator

I did some minor research about efficiency in health care systems about twenty years ago.
I remember darkly the question of especially uninsured population in the US is not an easy question.
Young people tend to take higher risks in life and do have of course a lower risk of disease.
So beside people that just can't afford health care insurance there is a certain percentage that choose to live without one in preference of a netflix abo or some such.

In addition to the problem that providing health care services based on pure market mechanism has a lot of weaknesses, because the 'customer' so to say doesn't have the full information about it and money/cost for that services is not a good indicator for a decision.

In short, a lot of people just don't care about it as long as they are in good health.
That is probably just human, short time thinking.
'I could be dead tomorrow, why should I stop smoking?'

Then a lot more of people do not know or even could know what medical treatment is best for them, since its such a complicated topic.
We send those white coat guys and girls about 10-15 years to learn and train as a medical doctor for a reason.
And then, as I already said the price is no good indicator, because as a 'customer' in need of medical help you can't just change the treatment because there is a cheaper one.
Your health and life depends on the knowledge of others.
So you have a lot of people and institutions that can profit from that situation, like doctors, pharmaceutical industry, hospitals and other medical institution, employers and so on.
I don't say, they always do, but as they say, opportunity makes a thief.

As I am reminded of every time I go to the VA

Funny thing is a lot of those nurses and doctors that preach water rather prefer wine.
I know them, I had many friends among them.

It's only human
Also putting on weight with age.
If I wanted to be as fit as I were in my youth I had to train about two hours per day.
I know that, because I did that.
Because putting on weight I inherited from the motherly side of the family…
Or so I explain it away…

Now, I don't have time for that anymore.
So, with a dropping metabolic rate it is less calories.
But even that is not enough, the body adjusts.
It is inevitable.

BUT!
Some training, even if it is just half an hour of brisk walk a day is good for you.
I'm sure that is something they tell you at the VA everytime.

P.s
Funny thing is, that research back then was somewhat
inspired, believe it or not, by a Steven Seagal Film!
Yeah I know, that sounds strange, but Seagal plays a country doctor and there is a scene where he treats an old chap without insurance with some native indian herbs or so I remember.
I was quite astonished one could treat renal failure with weed, so to say.

There is even some virus involved.
The Patriot (1998) on imdb.com

his is something I wish you to enjoy as long as possible.

Thank you ! Me too ! I'm hoping to make 100 !

Which is somthing I'm sure you folks over the pond have adressed and will adress again.

Yes it is going on again, again, even recently !

"Americans Will Always Do the Right Thing — After Exhausting All the Alternatives"

Very true ! IIRC Churchill said that ! He would have known !

Funny thing is a lot of those nurses and doctors that preach water rather prefer wine.

I have experienced the same !

Also putting on weight with age.

I try to spend a couple of hours a day at the YMCA pools. Too just keep moving, do some exercises and hopefully burn some calories !

This was mentioned to me by a physician in the 80's. I think he was onto something.

Most people can't remember what they had for lunch last week, so expecting them to remember what they ate as kids is a bit of a stretch… ;-)

Good one! (smile)

Armand

I must be a box of hamburger helper then.

I remember as a small child liking sugary and salty things then some were about 12 I lost the taste for those things, but I am still over-weight. But under the heading of doing bad things as a child in the 60-70s during the summer my Mom would lock my brother and I out of the house were we would just burn like bacon in the Sun. Being of Scandinavian ancestry, we didn't tan. living in dread of the bill for that.

If they keep going with these "scientific" studies, pretty soon the only thing the plebes will be allowed to eat are the lab rats

PETA won't stand for that !!!!

"Many in the US do not have good health care, if any."

Where do people get these ridiculous notions? If you mean by not good health care, the best, most state-of-the-art healthcare available anywhere on the planet, then yes, US health care is not good.

My father, a vietnam vet and 30+ year medical administrator for the VA used to tell anecdotes about when winos and drug addicts would fall out in the streets (not vets mind you), the ambulances would come by, sirens blaring and whisk them off to the nearest hospital to receive the kind of care those in the third world could only dream of.

overdue pregnant latino immigrants fresh over the border give birth in American hospitals in the kind of conditions that the wealthiest americans couldnt have gotten 50 years ago.

I have NEVER in my life seen ANYONE turned away from a US emergency room even for the slightest sniffle, but instead are seen personally by physicians and nurses with the highest levels of medical training known to man worth millions in educational time and resources, not to mention the drugs and medical equipment they are given access to.

I wont bother with the numerous examples of major political figures from Canada and European countries with socialized medicine who rather prefer to come ot the US for their heart surgeries and cancer treatments and pay cash. And there is a booming business in Arizona and Florida for Canadians on waiting lists for medical treatments in their home countries who find it more practical to take a "medical vacation" down south.

I never said anything bad about VA health care. They have treated me and many of my comrades very, very well … However, many in the media, etc., talk about many Americans not having good health care available, etc., etc.

That is what the Affordable Health Care Act was all about. And as we see there seems to be some "problems" there again based on the media, etc. May need some more fine tuning ?

You are taking offense and none was intended … I'm only relaying what I have heard in the media, etc. And some of the stories of those I know who pay very high insurance costs, etc., to get "good" health care.

But it appears, based on media reports, etc., many in lower income or even far rural areas still don't have "good" health care readily available, etc. As many others in the USA do.

This is what I am talking about … from MIT … link

From that link :

There is no universal healthcare. The U.S. government does not provide health benefits to citizens or visitors. Any time you get medical care, someone has to pay for it.

Healthcare is very expensive. According to a U.S. government website, if you break your leg, you could end up with a bill for $7,500. USD If you need to stay in the hospital for three days, it would probably cost about $30,000. USD

Most people in the U.S. have health insurance. Health insurance protects you from owing a lot of money to doctors or hospitals if you get sick or hurt. To get health insurance, you need to make regular payments (called "premiums") to a health insurance company. In exchange, the company agrees to pay some, or all, of your medical bills.

You will get most of your care from your "primary care provider" (PCP). After you buy health insurance, you can choose a PCP who is part of your insurance company's network.

Your new PCP could be a nurse practitioner or a physician. You will see your PCP when you need a physical exam or lab test, when you are sick, or if you need care for an ongoing condition, like diabetes or high blood pressure.

You will usually need an appointment to get medical care. If you want to see your PCP, you will need to call your PCP's office to make an appointment. When you call, you need to explain why you need the appointment.

If you are sick or hurt, you will get an appointment very soon. If you just need a routine physical exam, you might have to wait several weeks or even a month.

NOTE: If you have a medical emergency or urgent need, you can get care immediately.

Many in the USA see these as "problems", etc. …

I wasnt offended. I just wanted to correct a blatant falsehood that I often see perpetuated.
I mean, even illegal aliens get free healthcare in the United States, along with stimulus checks. incarcerated prisoners get free sex changes, the list is endless. We send respirators and vaccines , and billions of dollars for health care to other countries for crying out loud…

there are more social programs, welfare, medical at home visits, community programs, etc probably trillion or more is spent on every year. Sure, a lot of it is wasted, misused, and kicked back, etc… but thats a problem with trying to socialize medicine and claim it is a "right".
If only people could understand that nobody "owes" them healthcare -- and of course, you cant force a doctor to perform a surgery at gunpoint if he dont want to do it anyway. But thats a different matter.
The fact is, EVERYBODY -- even foreign nationals and the most vile criminal has access to excellent, state of the art healthcare in the US. it's just a question of who pays for it.

I AM SPAM!!!!!!!

I wasnt offended. I just wanted to correct a blatant falsehood that I often see perpetuated.

Again I was only going by what I see/read from the media. Which I we know today is not always/[rarely] accurate/without bias, etc. But I do know some still struggle how much they pay/who is going to pay for it. But yes that does not say we don't have some of the best healthcare on the planet.

The Docs at the VA in Cleveland, OH, are some of the best and some of them come by daily from the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospital. To do procedures, operations, etc. I got my hip replaced & cataract surgery at the VA Hospital there.

But again … I'm very fortunate the VA covers me 100%. So I don't have to deal with health care insurance, etc., etc. I guess I paid for it with the 10+ years in the Army Infantry … a long time ago. That is what the VA tells me anyway and other Vets …

I am very happy to hear that Vets are getting good care from the VA. When I was in my teens and twenties, I don't think it was always that way. I remember 20 years ago the VA hospital opening a Parkinson center that my Dad became a patient of. The first time I took him, it was pretty bad but the Parkinson's wing was like a complete different hospital.

Care and providers at the VA have always been excellent. The administration of said agency has gone through phases where you would doubt the ability of the people involved to find their hat when it was in their own hand. Not that I have a strong opinion on the matter.

Many in the US do not have good health care, if any.

I'm in New York. According to what my governor tells me, good healthcare is available to everyone here (even visitors!), including various forms of health insurance.

I have family in the Philippines, and our staff editors live there. Most people there do not have health care in a regular sense, but on a "when you get sick" basis. There is a two-tier health system, "free" (which is low quality and often over-burdened) and "paid" (higher quality but costs more).

Compared to the Philippines, everyone in the USA has access to excellent and regular health care.