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MacColla08 Mar 2021 7:52 a.m. PST

Can anyone offer advice on the probable (or actual!) livery colours of the above who was an associate – for want of a better term – of Sir William Herbert of Raglan?

Huscarle08 Mar 2021 7:59 a.m. PST

Check out page 223 of Wars of the Roses Heraldry by Dr Mike Ryan Jones & Bob Pritchard.

I'm not sure how to describe it apart from 3 identical golden haired heads & shoulders of a youth (with a green snake laying across the upper chest) on a sable field.

B*gger, just spotted you wanted the livery and not the heraldry…wouldn't he use Herbert's livery (azure & gules)?

Little Legions blog has a good list of livery colours:-

Vexillia has also got this excellent livery DB

MacColla08 Mar 2021 9:33 a.m. PST

I don't think an arms-bearing knight would necessarily use someone else's livery though I am willing to be corrected by the experts on here – hence the enquiry. Unfortunately Vaughan is not included in either database, or in the McGill book on liveries published by Freezywater!

Huscarle09 Mar 2021 11:11 a.m. PST

If he was a retainer of Herbert, then I believe that his men would wear his lord's livery, whilst he would wear his own coat of arms. Only the great & powerful seem to have had liveries, and "livery colours and badges were closely linked with retaining…they exerted their influence by retaining other peers, knights, esquires and gentlemen who would often wear their cognizance." (quote courtesy of Freezywater's Standards, Badges & Livery Colours).

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