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nnascati Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2021 11:28 a.m. PST

So has it now become too expensive to order figures direct from the UK? Brookhurst is out of the Peter Pig minis I wanted.

Thresher0101 Mar 2021 11:58 a.m. PST

In many cases, especially for small orders.

Clearly, good planning, and bulk buying to proper amortize the shipping costs across multiple items is best.

Same goes for domestic shipping too, which is frequently $15 USD+ for even a single item, depending upon the size and weight.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2021 12:05 p.m. PST

I was looking to order maybe 12 packs of Peter Pig WWII figures.

Perris070701 Mar 2021 12:15 p.m. PST

Well, it is cheaper than flying over there to pick them up.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2021 12:23 p.m. PST

What was the postage cost?

Did you ask Brookhurst when they plan to restock?

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2021 12:34 p.m. PST

Two to three weeks. I guess I can wait.

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2021 1:11 p.m. PST

Ingeresjing….just looked at the World Zone price guides for letters/parcels from the UK. The US is in World Zone 3….but Canada is in World Zone 2…and ..the heavier the parcel shows a pretty substantially cheaper difference for us Canadians.

advocate01 Mar 2021 1:15 p.m. PST

We remember our history*. And your help from the start in each of the two unpleasantnesses in the last century. :)

*Actually, we don't. It may be a bureaucratic oversight: I'd keep quiet about it just in case.

Personal logo enfant perdus Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2021 1:43 p.m. PST

Not an oversight. All part of the Universal Postal Union negotiations of 2019-2020.

It's honestly been a major body blow for small businesses on both sides of the pond. Costs to ship from the US to the UK have also risen dramatically, and the UK's new rule about sellers collecting VAT and remitting it to HMRC means few of us can/will sell to the UK anymore.

Personal logo Grelber Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2021 1:59 p.m. PST

That sounds like it's not likely to change any time soon--as in "I'll wait until August to buy this year's figures from the UK."
I heard the price increase was coming last year, and got my last order from Perry Brothers just before the rates changed. Shipping had been roughly 25% and went up to 50%.
Since then, I have placed one order for UK manufactured items from Badger Games in the US. Their prices seemed reasonable, but maybe that was before they wee increased to reflect the new shipping rates. Or maybe they use a different method of shipping.

Grelber

Lascaris01 Mar 2021 2:24 p.m. PST

I am still ordering from the UK. I'm expecting a Front Rank shipment any day now. At $1.39 USD to a pound it's still better than the days of $1.70 USD.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2021 3:33 p.m. PST

Of course delivery time for the UK is probably a couple weeks anyway, so just as easy to wait for Brookhurst to get their restock.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Mar 2021 6:52 p.m. PST

I stopped shipping to the UK as the VAT regulations are just insane.

BobGrognard01 Mar 2021 10:48 p.m. PST

There are two different issues here.

1. The Trump administration opted out of the international postal agreement. Post from the UK to anywhere outside Europe used to be the same price for all countries. Now posting to the US is the most expensive in the world as a result of that action.

2. The UK government now asks businesses selling to the UK to register for sales tax and charge VAT accordingly.

The first point affects all US gamers buying from the UK as post costs are unavoidable. That said, some UK companies are offering cheaper postage for purchases over certain amounts.

The second point affects only US companies selling to UK customers and seems both ridiculous and, more importantly, completely unenforceable.

citizen sade02 Mar 2021 2:07 a.m. PST

FYI, those VAT regulations are coming to the EU too. They were originally supposed to commence in January, but were delayed to July due to the pandemic.

link

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP02 Mar 2021 3:00 a.m. PST

There's a statement about the VAT situation on Peter Pigs' website which will probably be similar to what other small manufacturers are going to do:

link

At present the UK government recommends that UK companies set up a company asset/office/referee in Europe that will deal with the EU VAT in each of the various EU states. We cannot afford this

Black Hat Miniatures02 Mar 2021 5:38 a.m. PST

The Peter Pig statement is a little ingenuous. They are VAT registered so all their prices include VAT. They are chosing to charge £3.50 GBP including VAt to customers in the UK (while claiming that they are paying the VAT for UK customers – Essex are only 35p more expensive for a pack inlucing VAT).

They are also charging £3.50 GBP to European customers and NOT removing the VAT but claiming that they are adding it and then removing it…. (which I can't see at checkout on their site).

Most small companies will remove the VAT from the order and then the EU customer will have to pay VAT and import tax as do customers in Japan, etc.

That is what I am doing now I am VAT registered…

Mike

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP02 Mar 2021 10:04 a.m. PST

Interesting – here in Canada the postage is not too bad; unfortunate that shipping something from the UK to Vancouver is cheaper than shipping it to Boston (which is a lot closer!)

rick3202 Mar 2021 2:15 p.m. PST

Perry Miniatures still ship free to the United States…

Their minimum to order to qualify for free shipping went from 200 Pounds Sterling to 250 pounds sterling…

Which just means add more figures to your order or get a group together to pool their order…

Of course the weakening US dollar (just keep printing money) means it is getting more expensive to order… but at least I can tell my wife I qualified for free shipping…

And they still don't charge VAT to US customers…

Thresher0102 Mar 2021 7:15 p.m. PST

$350 USD to get free shipping is a very large order.

Of course, at 50% shipping being charged for regular orders, I see the incentive to make a larger order.

Personal logo Doctor X Supporting Member of TMP03 Mar 2021 5:32 p.m. PST

If there is something I want from the UK, Canada, Australia, etc I order it unless the seller charges some obscene rate far above what the actual postal cost is.

von Schwartz ver 204 Mar 2021 4:55 p.m. PST

Might be simpler and cheaper to make them here (the USA) under license.

Augustus Supporting Member of TMP04 Mar 2021 9:34 p.m. PST

Not to toss gasoline on the fire, but even domestic shipping rates are getting ridiculous. You used to be able to order a hardback book and get it for roughly $5.00 USD shipping. Now, likely $10 USD or $12. USD

The shipping systems are really pushed to the brink if you ask me.

RudyNelson05 Mar 2021 12:21 p.m. PST

Shipping may be bad from the Uk but it is nothing compared to Italy. I placed a $250 USD order and shipping was $420. USD Never again regardless of discount.

BigHagar18 Sep 2021 3:38 a.m. PST

Was looking to pre-order a Deadzone bundle from Mantic and I see that the price for what I wanted is 125 GBP.
If sent to a UK address it states it includes VAT at 20,83 GBP.
If sent to outside the UK the price remains at 125 GBP and I then have to pay the VAT in my country also.
Contacted them to see if this is a glitch in their system and the answer was "Try a stockist in europe. broadswordwargaming.com
Unbelievable, right? Cheery on top, this stockist doesn't have a single Deadzone item to sell, let alone a pre-order bundle.
Cheers

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