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Sergeant Joe Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2021 2:08 a.m. PST

or 4th corps at austerlitz of of course

Sergeant Joe Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2021 2:18 a.m. PST

had to cut some words name topic to long saw in many books about this evenent but where did they come ?
just pursuit but by Who ?

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2021 3:04 a.m. PST

No such event in IVCorps that I know of…

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2021 7:23 a.m. PST

Sergeant Joe, are you talking about IV Corps artillery firing at Russians fleeing over the frozen Satschan ponds?

By that time the whole French army was in pursuit mode, and the Russians were just trying to get away, not evade some particular unit.

Sergeant Joe Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2021 7:41 a.m. PST

yes the satshan pond and others? and

advance guard of the
3th corps?
o k the allied units were ad hoc units trying to get out

Sergeant Joe Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2021 8:27 a.m. PST

otherwise asked or just where do they come from ? these french artillery units?

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2021 1:27 p.m. PST

The artillery was from the IV Corps and the Imperial Guard.

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP18 Feb 2021 2:41 p.m. PST

>>otherwise asked or just where do they come from ? these french artillery units?

OK now that is clearer, as Brechtel198 wrote, mostly "IV Corps and the Imperial Guard".
While Soults IV Corps was closer it was also the most heavily engaged, and didn't move very quickly. After all the entire Russian Reserve was still visible from Pratzen Heights to the East.

Once the rout had become noticeable, and N. rode from Stare Vinhorady toward to Southern edge (where he couldn't see because of Pratzeberg height) he pulled the Imperial Guard Horse (Legere/Volanté) Artillery away from peppering the Russians toward Rausnitz stream and had them march SOUTHwARD along the relatively flat contours of the Pratzen Heights to the dominant edge above Augezd.

Their first fire here was I think a defensive one against a localised counter-attack by First Column Russians who'd been slow to move away.

I'd say it is possible that some part of Oudinots Grenadier Division artillery that advanced along the lower valley to arrest the 3rd Column Russians got as far as the Tellnitz rise later in the action.

It appeared N. screamed for artillery to join them, yet bizarrely he let the Russian Imperial Guard (or his incompetant subordinate Bernadotte) waltz off to the East as well.

It is extremely unlikely that Davouts corps added anything to the 'Satchen' issue. They were on the 'slopes' West of the Goldbach, which were not that high as to have a vantage, and were containing the Austrians and Russians there all day. With a watchful eye on Menitz as well, that is the path that Kienmayer took to save his command from encirclement. And his two horse batteries remained intact! He (Kienmayer ) was a hero; Buxhowden was an ass!
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Sergeant Joe Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2021 1:41 a.m. PST

davout was ordered to go to sokolnitz found some russians fleeing? and shot them to pieces?

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2021 6:07 a.m. PST

Davout's assigned mission at Austerlitz was to hold the French right in an economy of force mission.

During the fighting he was outnumbered around 4-to-1 and yet was successful.

Davout with about 10,500 men (Friant, Bourcier, the IV Corps light cavalry and some other IV corps units) faced Buxhowden with about 38,900 troops (Docturov, Kienmayer, Langeron, and Prschibitschewski) which allowed Soult's attack on the weakened allied center to succeed.

As Soult's troops enveloped the allied units in the early afternoon, Davout then counterattacked.

The ice-covered Menitz Pond is what broke under the weight of the retreating allied units, not the nearby Satschan Pond.

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP19 Feb 2021 4:56 p.m. PST

>>davout was ordered to go to sokolnitz found some russians fleeing? and shot them to pieces?

Utter nonsense!

Green Tiger20 Feb 2021 4:10 a.m. PST

The Neapolitan artillery in Capua was apparently ordered to fire on their infantry if it fled from its positions on the Volturno in 1799.

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