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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP04 Feb 2021 12:19 p.m. PST

The New York library has a huge collection of photographs and prints like these uniforms. There is enough to feed a good uniformological or even simply intellectual curiosity…the funds are available free of charge…



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Armand

skedaddle Supporting Member of TMP04 Feb 2021 1:14 p.m. PST

Oh man! Down the rabbit hole I go!!!

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP04 Feb 2021 2:05 p.m. PST

Yes, the Vinkhuijzen collection is simply great!! I've used it many times over the years.

Jim

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP04 Feb 2021 3:47 p.m. PST

Yes these are a very good source of SECONDARY artwork collection of various era's including ours, copy work and some creative originals perhaps.

Just don't rely on them for accuracy in uniform details[*1], or dates (which seem to be taken from the collectors opinion). The labelling shows the museum wasn't particularly thorough in identifying artifacts accurately, just 'academic cataloging' being the priority.

I wondered who 'E.T.' was on some plates then found other engravings identified as 'Eugene Titeux' (b1838).
I see the moneygrubbers Getty and Alamy all over the post copyrighted material but not much else free to use.

*1- As an example, multiple Dragoon illustrations give aiguillettes to several in Consulate/ Early empire- simply not probable nor supported by later research.

Oh, and to refine the search, add '#Country' or '#Year' to the criteria ex: 'France 1805' to get a much closer finite set, than the '000 pages full. Unless you really want to…

Otherwise, knock yourself (and your broadband cap) out…
cheers cup

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP04 Feb 2021 9:47 p.m. PST

Whew. For a moment I thought it was about an obscure War of 1812 militia regiment.

Prince of Essling05 Feb 2021 1:19 a.m. PST

And don't rely on plate titles as numbers are incorrect. I did point this to NYPL some years ago, offering to help correct where possible but they weren't interested! They merely wanted to keep the original titling.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2021 5:38 a.m. PST

As an example, multiple Dragoon illustrations give aiguillettes to several in Consulate/ Early empire- simply not probable nor supported by later research.

The 5th Dragoon Regiment, formerly the Regiment Colonel General, had been the senior dragoon regiment in the old Royal Army. The regiment 'had won the distinction of white plumes and epaulets, as well as white aguillettes when in full dress, and stubbornly reained them through the Revolution and Empire.'-Napoleonic Uniforms, Volume I, Plate 7, page 347, by John Elting and Herbert Knotel.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2021 5:45 a.m. PST

I looked through this 'collection' years ago and it struck me as someone had gone through uniform books and cut them out and looted them.

Apparently, this collection is the 'debris' of 'a huge pack-rat collection' assembled by Dr Hendrick J Vinkhuijzen who built it in part 'by slashing illustrations from rare books.'

'His collection…was repeatedly plundered, and he was swindled by the Italian artist, Quinto Cenni, who sold him pictures of imagtinary uniforms.'-John Elting, Napoleonic Uniforms, Volume I, page 422.

The collection should be used with much care.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2021 9:18 a.m. PST

So he basically stole the pages from other libraries?
Wow.

Prince of Essling05 Feb 2021 9:49 a.m. PST

No I understood it cut them from his own books…

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2021 11:25 a.m. PST

Glup!…..


Amicalement
Armand

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2021 12:37 p.m. PST

>>No I understood it cut them from his own books…

Yes very obvious I'd have thought as the captions have been replaced in strange locations- obviously not just the artistry attarcated him, but the 'decoupage' necessary to reformat into plates from printed and bound books was just as important (great if you don't want the originals). You can see the damage done- even folded pages they've scanned and trimmed.

I bought some plates in France that were clearly remounted from old books. It's a "thing"…

cheers d

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