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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian18 Jan 2021 7:21 a.m. PST

As you probably know, TMP has had a policy for several years now of not allowing commercial announcements on the forum. Since we're in the business of selling advertising, it does not make sense for us to allow free advertising for non-advertisers.

However, we've still had the Crowdfunding board, and there was a lot of confusion about which projects could be discussed there – dead or ended vs active Kickstarters, Kickstarters which created products for active manufacturers, Kickstarters that were 'done' but still taking orders, etc. etc. etc.

And then there were the companies that said they should get to post about their project, because they were sure somebody else had done so too.

Therefore, I've decided to end the confusion by removing the Crowdfunding board entirely.

Personal logo Jlundberg Supporting Member of TMP18 Jan 2021 8:11 a.m. PST

I am not happy about this development

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP18 Jan 2021 8:24 a.m. PST

Well, you don't have to be happy. grin
Dear Editor has decided that if something is advertised here, the advertising should be paid for. I may miss "NEWS" of the hobby, but I can see his point.

Just make sure that our most prolific poster gets the memo.

JimDuncanUK18 Jan 2021 8:25 a.m. PST

Sensible business decision.

Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Jan 2021 9:26 a.m. PST

I agree fully and completely !! If you do not pay for advertisement --you should not try to use this platform to do so!!
Only reasonable.
HOWEVER --if you do pay --?????????

Russ Dunaway

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian18 Jan 2021 11:49 a.m. PST

If you do pay, running a Hobby News story is much better than posting a forum topic.

1. Hobby News appears at the top of the homepage
2. Hobby News also runs in the sitewide sidebar for 30 days
3. A forum topic has no headline pic, and scrolls down the page where it is easily lost.
4. If advertisers post their news on the forum, then non-advertisers will get the idea it's OK for them, too.

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP18 Jan 2021 1:00 p.m. PST

A semi-related question. Wargame Vault is an advertiser and we see news about newly released WV items posted here, which is fine. Is it OK for authors on WV to post, or does it have to come from Steve at WV himself?

Personal logo Steve at The Vault Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Jan 2021 1:26 p.m. PST

Most of the news on TMP from Wargame Vault comes off the RSS feed or the Deal of The Day feed, we normally only post things ourselves twice a year to announce our annual sales.

JMcCarroll18 Jan 2021 4:37 p.m. PST

Crowdfunding is becoming a large part of this hobby. To not include it here is a mistake. I understand why it is being done, but wonder if there is a way to still include it on one form or another?

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP18 Jan 2021 5:21 p.m. PST

TMP has abandoned its role as being Hobby News.
Pay for play.
Bill's house, Bill's rules.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian18 Jan 2021 6:13 p.m. PST

You scratch my back, I scratch your back.
Advertising with TMP is quite inexpensive.
We can't survive if we give it away for free.

Personal logo aegiscg47 Supporting Member of TMP18 Jan 2021 6:42 p.m. PST

I don't have a problem with this directive as you could literally have an entire series of web pages dedicated to just gaming projects from Kickstarter. The few that have been posted on this site are just a drop in the bucket from what is really going on in the gaming world. On many of the FB gaming groups there are continuous ads for many of these projects, but you really need to go to Kickstarter to view the projects themselves, look at the prices, and judge for yourself if you want to take a chance on it or not. There's nothing stopping anyone who visits TMP from just going to Kickstarter and sorting through it themselves.

Fred Mills18 Jan 2021 7:54 p.m. PST

Out of curiosity, I ran a few searches on KS, never having used it before, and (to be honest) not quite understanding it. I got north of 800 hits related to gaming, miniatures, and related subjects. Seems like a lot of possible business ventures, as a group, to expect TMP to potentially host without them paying advertising fees. They are raising money for themselves, after all, and many are already established businesses running the campaigns. The notion that the Editor here should not do the same seems very odd.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP19 Jan 2021 3:32 a.m. PST

If advertisers can run Kickstarter Hobby News items then there's no problem AFAICS.

I look forward to the daily updates from the next Reaper Bones campaign…. evil grin

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jan 2021 10:57 a.m. PST

I get the desire, and the need to make money from advertising, but alas a lot of hobby "news" will no longer be covered here, so I and others will need to look elsewhere for that I suppose.

It would be nice if some happy medium could be worked out between the KS promoters and TMP, so we can keep abreast of the latest developments on one site.

Sadly, I suspect that is not possible in some cases.

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jan 2021 1:18 p.m. PST

I'd like to announce my Kickstarter to fund a new Crowdfunding board for TMP…

bandit86 Supporting Member of TMP19 Jan 2021 9:16 p.m. PST

Not happy with this

BelgianRay20 Jan 2021 12:15 p.m. PST

Not happy either

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian20 Jan 2021 4:41 p.m. PST

If you want to pay the advertising for a Kickstarter you like, please feel free. grin

Berenzed30 Jan 2021 9:04 a.m. PST

its not been this way for years at all – in fact before Christmas i posted one project in the crowdfunding page for my lads card game – NO ISSUES

After christmas my own KS removed several times with no explanation – and Bill eventaually after quizzing him asking for money for the privilege of advertising something i havent even made a penny from. At times some KS only just fund the release of said miniatures and dont make a mass of money.

Fact is not all KS work – and its not all big companies releasing stuff on KS.

would be good to know how it costs so much to run a website!!! Talk about trying to pull a fast one.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian31 Jan 2021 3:07 p.m. PST

would be good to know how it costs so much to run a website!!! Talk about trying to pull a fast one.

Cost of the server, cost for bandwidth, cost for myself and four staffers… it all adds up! grin

Advertising cost: as little as $5 USD per month

Basha Felika01 Feb 2021 1:25 a.m. PST

Berenzed, sorry I can't agree with you on that. Whether you make money on the KS or not is irrelevant – why should one commercial enterprise subsidise another by providing free advertising for your project? If you went to any of the hobby magazines (WI, MW, WSS), you'd expect to pay for the advertising there, wouldn't you?

Sure, Bill's been tightening up on the rules recently but that's inevitable with so many more Kickstarters taking place than a few years ago.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP01 Feb 2021 1:25 p.m. PST

would be good to know how it costs so much to run a website!!!

Run one and you can let people do whatever you want on it.

Wolfhag01 Feb 2021 2:20 p.m. PST

I'm with Bill on this one.

Wolfhag

Personal logo Miniatureships Sponsoring Member of TMP06 Feb 2021 4:36 p.m. PST

Bill

Could you have not come up with a one month advertising fee for Crowdfunding announcements? (a fee that covers the time period of the crowdfunding project).

One person stated that paying for something that you don't know will make you money or not is the risk of doing business. Even the people who run miniature companies take the risk that making something they like will also be like by enough people that they will recoup all the cost involved and make something beyond that, but that doesn't always happen.

Then there are the crowdfunding projects are no different from any other business venture, so why should they be allowed the free advertising and not an established manufacture who is taking a chance on what they are doing that is new?

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP07 Feb 2021 8:27 p.m. PST

I get Bill's point but there are crowdfunding efforts I would never have known about if it wasn't on TMP. How about just listing the name of the company and a link to Kickstarter?

I Just don't equate a crowdfunding effort for a product that isn't for sale yet and a product that is already being produce and is for sale.

I don't see how this is hurting anyone. If someone like OG is threaten by a Kickstarter then perhaps there is a demand for a product they don't produce. Maybe OG should produce it. But I don't see how listing it here harms anyone.

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