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Baranovich16 Jan 2021 12:04 p.m. PST

I picked up a few Hovels 15mm Civil War buildings as well as some Kallistra 12mm Civil War stuff to see how they match up with Warlord Games new "epic" scale Civil War.

I haven't gotten the Kallistra stuff yet, but the Hovels were delivered the other day.

As you can see by the Hovels pics., they are darn near a perfect match. I put one of the infantry sprues up against the doors of the buildings, and the individual soldiers are the perfect height for the doors. They would walk through and their heads would just brush under the upper door sill.

So it seems that Warlord's epic scale is 13.5mm or thereabouts. And it also seems that it means that Hovel's buildings are not true 15mm either, but slightly undersized.

Which means that any 15mm ACW ranges out there that are on the larger side are actually a bit too large for Hovels 15mm. There are at least two or three ACW 15mm ranges I know of where individual soldiers would not come close to fitting through Hovels' doors.

Also needs to be mentioned that some Youtube gaming channels have described this new "epic" scale as being like "glorified 10mms." They are most certainly NOT glorified 10mms. They are closer to 15s than 10s.

Kallistra's 12mm will probably match up to these very well, particularly things like their casualty markers, limbers and horses, artillery pieces, etc.

Also one final note with regards to Antietam Bridge. That bridge is actually larger than many Civil War buffs think it is. It is 124' long and 12' wide. As you can see with the tourists on the bridge here, Warlord's epic scale soldiers are actually a closer match to the scale of the bridge than some 15mm ranges are.


Oddball16 Jan 2021 2:30 p.m. PST

Great photo of the bridge.

torokchar Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2021 4:02 p.m. PST

Looks good to me.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2021 5:42 p.m. PST

Unless you are playing 1 to 1, there is always a scale problem between the building footprint and the figures, and this example is no different. I'd probably go with 10mm buildings.

Thanks for posting.

RudyNelson18 Jan 2021 5:15 p.m. PST

79pa made a statement tha I have harped on in rule design since 1985. Unless you lay 1 to 1 skirmish games all buildings are going to be out of ground scale. Measure the base of the building and see how much ground it covers. A building actually represents an area. Using a 1 to fifty ground scale means that a 1 and a half building base means that building covers a battlefield area of 75 yards.
So his comments are right.

Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Jan 2021 6:17 p.m. PST

An entire wargame is not in "scale!!" Especially depth !!

Russ Dunaway

gisbygeo28 Jan 2021 12:05 p.m. PST

'Our men are having trouble clearing the town, sir! the enemy on the other side of the room are just out of musket range!'

General Kirchner05 Feb 2021 9:37 a.m. PST

has anyone put these up against some N scale railroad stuff?

trees or buildings or rails and railcars?

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