Help support TMP

"Surprisingly Good: Sword and the Flame!" Topic

9 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.

Back to the Victorian Colonial Board Message Board

Back to the Wargaming in General Message Board

Areas of Interest

19th Century

Featured Hobby News Article

Top-Rated Ruleset

Mighty Armies: Fantasy

Rating: gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star gold star 

Featured Showcase Article

Amazon's Snow Queen Set

If snowflakes resemble snowy bees, then who rules over the snowflakes?

Featured Profile Article

Cobblestone Corners Christmas Trees

Christmas trees for your gaming table.

Current Poll

Featured Book Review

480 hits since 13 Jan 2021
©1994-2021 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian13 Jan 2021 8:07 p.m. PST

You were asked – TMP link

What miniature wargaming ruleset did you not expect much from, yet it was surprisingly good when put to the tabletop?

17% said "Sword and the Flame"
7% said "Black Powder"
5% [TIE] said "Full Thrust" OR "Hordes of the Things" OR "Pig Wars"

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2021 11:04 a.m. PST

It's very good, and I wasn't surprised.

RudyNelson14 Jan 2021 9:51 p.m. PST

Well I first played with Larry in a play test of the Sword and the Flame rules in 1983. A couple of years later his rules and mine, Indiana's, Colonels and Emirs, 15mm unit mass combat, were both up for GAMA HG Wells award. Of corse his won. We ere close friends until he passed.
So yeah they are better than good. A Classic with a 30+ history and limited rule changes.

Mad Guru Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2021 11:50 p.m. PST

Like John above, I definitely wasn't surprised!

Rudy, I think the title of your rules got spell-checked into typo-land. I might be wrong, as you are the author and I was just an owner/player who had never met you at the time (that came decades later at the first Colonial Barracks convention), but I remember it as: "INDUNAS, Colonels and Emirs" -- also to be sure another fine set of colonial rules!

RudyNelson15 Jan 2021 11:29 a.m. PST

You are right. I hate the auto spell check after a post. Indunas not Indiana's.

Col Durnford Supporting Member of TMP15 Jan 2021 6:24 p.m. PST

TSATF is quite likely the greatest miniature war game rules ever written.

SgtGuinness Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2021 5:12 a.m. PST

TSATF are some of the best rules I've ever played. I was surprised at how good they were despite the lack of complexity. I met Larry and His daughters at a Historicon in 1985 while playing a game Larry was running set in 1882 with the Egyptians vs the British. I instantly fell in love with the system and bought a set at the con. Shortly thereafter I found and bought Rudy's rules Indunas, Colonels, & Emirs, which I enjoyed as well. I've been buying books and toys from Rudy at various cons ever since.

Chuckaroobob16 Jan 2021 7:36 p.m. PST

We just played TSATF on Wednesday, 25mm Sepoy Mutiny. Those rules are still going strong!

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP17 Jan 2021 2:00 a.m. PST

TSATF (and variants) is/are great 'toolbox' rule sets
very adaptable to different eras.

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.