Tango01 | 11 Jan 2021 8:41 p.m. PST |
"In a remarkable 11th hour decision, the Trump administration designated Cuba as a state sponsor of terror on Monday, reversing an Obama-era decision to remove the communist country from the list as part of its broader rapprochement between Washington and Havana. The move, announced by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo comes just nine days before President-elect Joe Biden takes office. Bloomberg first reported the Cuba policy decision. "With this action, we will once again hold Cuba's government accountable and send a clear message: the Castro regime must end its support for international terrorism and subversion of U.S. justice," Pompeo said in a statement…" Main page link Amicalement Armand |
Cuprum2 | 11 Jan 2021 10:23 p.m. PST |
It's funny. What does the US judicial system have to do with a sovereign independent state? Is the USA ready to accept the decisions of the Cuban courts? I doubt it))) |
Thresher01 | 12 Jan 2021 12:25 a.m. PST |
Good to hear, but about 4 years late. |
nickinsomerset | 12 Jan 2021 3:41 a.m. PST |
Dont worry, in 10 days time it will be reversed, Tally Ho! |
Legion 4 | 12 Jan 2021 10:21 a.m. PST |
Thresher & nick +2 … The Cuban leadership is still not a friend or even "frienemy" of the US. And we see the "workers' paradise" as promised by Castro and his revolutionaries has not really worked out as the population thought. |
Tango01 | 12 Jan 2021 12:01 p.m. PST |
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arealdeadone | 12 Jan 2021 2:36 p.m. PST |
Amd how is Cuba a threat anymore to the US?!? Great example of how logic and rationality no longer exist in US foreign policy. |
USAFpilot | 12 Jan 2021 3:39 p.m. PST |
You mean like the keen rationality of US foreign policy when we invaded Iraq post 9/11; even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Or when after having broke Iraq we announced that we were leaving and once we did ISIS overran much of the country. And then their is that masterpiece of foreign policy when we bombed the wealthiest nation in Africa, Libya, and turned it into a terrorist hell hole. Oh, our foreign policy has been screwed up for decades, all the way back to Vietnam at least; and is likely to get even worse going forward. |
USAFpilot | 12 Jan 2021 3:54 p.m. PST |
Oh, about Cuba; it's so great there that people are still fleeing that country. |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 12 Jan 2021 4:53 p.m. PST |
Amd how is Cuba a threat anymore to the US?!? Being a threat is irrelevant. Cuba is no more a threat to the US than, say, Venezuela. Cuba is a fixation of the outgoing POTUS because he vowed to undo the rapprochement achieved by his predecessor and also to woo the anti-Castro Cuban expats in Florida who backed him politically. |
Legion 4 | 13 Jan 2021 10:44 a.m. PST |
USAF +1 on both posts … as well as Fanatik … An example of Realpolitik, IMO. Again, many gray areas with few clean hands. |
Tango01 | 13 Jan 2021 12:30 p.m. PST |
I was in Cuba… living a couple of weeks with a local family… impossible to descrive… a real hell!…. Amicalement Armand
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arealdeadone | 13 Jan 2021 3:37 p.m. PST |
Legion it has nothing to do with Realpolitik. There are no rational guiding principles or national interest here. Cuba is an impoverished nothing state. Hammering them with sanctions makes no sense. |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 13 Jan 2021 4:43 p.m. PST |
The only reason the US is bullying Cuba is because it can, other than to please the Cuban expats in Florida who voted Republican last November. |
Legion 4 | 13 Jan 2021 4:56 p.m. PST |
Tango – that is the way I understood it. Legion it has nothing to do with Realpolitik. There are no rational guiding principles or national interest here. Cuba is an impoverished nothing state. Hammering them with sanctions makes no sense. Maybe you should email the State Dept. ? Who knows a year from now ? They may become the 53 State … Regardless there still a lot of old school hardliners that don't like the USA. So, they can continue to live in their own little "Paradise". I really have no reason to care about what happens in Cuba. They played the game with the USSR vs the USA, and lost. They choose poorly … other than to please the Cuban expats in Florida who voted Republican last November. That is the Realpolitik I'm referring to … That is the way the US Leaders, elected or otherwise does business. And it started a while back. |
USAFpilot | 13 Jan 2021 5:11 p.m. PST |
This is not a new policy. It just brings our Cuba policy back to the status quo of the last 50+ years of numerous US administrations. Nothing to see here. |
Legion 4 | 13 Jan 2021 5:33 p.m. PST |
Yep … |
arealdeadone | 13 Jan 2021 7:34 p.m. PST |
The point is it is a stupid policy that serves no purpose except pander to a bunch of disgruntled migrants. Given the way of the world might make more sense to normalise relations with Cuba instead of making them a potential ally for the Chinese or Russians. Normalizing relations with Cuba was one of Obama's better foreign policy moments. As for age of policy, what made sense in s 1959 probably doesn't apply in 2021. |
USAFpilot | 14 Jan 2021 7:28 a.m. PST |
Those "disgruntled migrants" are now loyal US citizens that have a right to have their voices heard. Many of them are still alive who experienced their land and property stolen by the communists and their lives uprooted. The Russians are not "potential" allies with Cuba; they are in fact allies with Cuba and have always been since Castro and his communists took over. Just because time has passed doesn't make the crimes committed by the communists less terrible. Normalization of relations can easily occur if the progenitors of the Castro regime throw out the failed policies of communism and welcome freedom and democracy. |
Legion 4 | 14 Jan 2021 8:43 a.m. PST |
+1 USAF … Yes they are loyal legal Americans now. We owe Cuba and the Russians nothing really … Two of my friends in the ARMY were born in the US as their family had to flee Cuba. But like I said, Cuba might be the 53d State after DC and PR. Within a year or two … 😎 |