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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Jan 2021 5:40 a.m. PST

What percentage of the primary battles of the American Civil War have you gamed with figures?

100%
90%
etc.

BTCTerrainman Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 5:52 a.m. PST

Please define "Major".

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 6:01 a.m. PST

Good Question, BTC. Also, land and sea battles, or just land battles?

Honey Springs was a major battle in the Indian Territory, with a total of 9,000 engaged on both sides.

lkmjbc311 Jan 2021 6:16 a.m. PST

90%.

Joe Collins

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 6:19 a.m. PST

Concur with BTC

But suspect 80%

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 6:23 a.m. PST

I say 75% of major battles for me.

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 6:50 a.m. PST

25% maybe?

Personal logo PzGeneral Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 7:17 a.m. PST

Zero

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 7:40 a.m. PST

16 major land, 4 major water whatever percentage that is. I have never been good at number crunching

Personal logo The Nigerian Lead Minister Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 8:07 a.m. PST

Quite a few. Do you have a list I can check off?

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian11 Jan 2021 8:19 a.m. PST

Major = the most significant ones
land warfare only

NatGeo says: "The United States Civil War, fought between 1861 and 1865, featured many major and minor engagements, and military actions. Among the most significant were the First Battle of Bull Run, the Battle of Shiloh, the Battle of Antietam, the Battle of Gettysburg, and the Vicksburg Campaign."

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 8:40 a.m. PST

Done lots of ACW gaming but tend to game for campaigns mostly – for historical battles I think we have done Antietam, Stones River, Bull Run and Gettysburg

Rich Bliss11 Jan 2021 8:47 a.m. PST

Over 80%. I've never done Antietam or Chancellorsville. Covered everything else, I think.

Personal logo Grelber Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 9:11 a.m. PST

Some of those ACW battles were big. B-I-G! I've done all of Mill Springs and 1st Bull Run. I've also done parts of other battles, like Longstreet's July 2 assault at Gettysburg (and come to think of it, we just did the Devil's Den, Wheatfield, and Peach Orchard parts, not Little Round Top.

Grelber

Personal logo John the Greater Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 9:21 a.m. PST

Depending on what you call a primary battle, I would say about 50%. That includes parts of battles (like gaming the second day of Gettysburg or the morning action at Antietam).

And once my group did Antietam as an ECW battle. Does that count?

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 9:40 a.m. PST

None, I think, but I did watch the movie Gettysburgh.

lkmjbc311 Jan 2021 9:42 a.m. PST

Rich:
We have missed Chancellorsville as well. I'm not sure it would be easy to recreate. Though one could perhaps use Barker's HF&G. Though you could also steal his flank march mechanics and use them with V&B. I'm not sure.

Joe Collins

advocate11 Jan 2021 10:06 a.m. PST

Percentage of what number? I think I have only really done 1.

jurgenation Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 11:24 a.m. PST

15%

d effinger11 Jan 2021 1:40 p.m. PST

25%

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2021 2:37 p.m. PST

I commanded the Union 2nd Corps at Gettysburg many years ago, that is all.

Lascaris11 Jan 2021 4:26 p.m. PST

7.1835%…approximately

Goober11 Jan 2021 10:02 p.m. PST

0%

ChrisBBB2 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jan 2021 2:50 a.m. PST

47%!

I reckon the full list of major ACW battles (where ‘major' means corps-sized or larger, about 30,000+ men a side) is these 19 in chronological order:

Shiloh
Seven Pines/Fair Oaks
Seven Days
2nd Bull Run
Antietam
Fredericksburg
Stones River
Chancellorsville
Vicksburg
Gettysburg
Chickamauga
link
Missionary Ridge
The Wilderness
link
Spotsylvania
link
Resaca
North Anna
Cold Harbor
Atlanta
Nashville
link

I've wargamed nine of these (47%). That's the whole battle, in its entirety, start to finish – not just one sector or part of the action. We did the whole of the Seven Days with figures but as an operational-level game on 8'x4'. Obviously the pinnacle is all three days of Gettysburg in four hours including set-up and take-down. The links above provide AARs for some of the games.

(My 30,000 cut-off for ‘major' obviously excludes some actions that were smaller but still significant, eg 1st Bull run, etc. I've fought a few of these too.)

Chris

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Dagwood12 Jan 2021 11:25 a.m. PST

I think I did one once. I can't remember which battle. It was a long time ago. My troops advanced at full speed for the entire game, but remained out of combat. Large table, short movement distances.

14Bore12 Jan 2021 12:43 p.m. PST

Only 2 days of Gettysburg, not with ACW figures

ChrisBBB2 Supporting Member of TMP12 Jan 2021 4:21 p.m. PST

Oops, I miscounted – I've played 11 out of 19. :-)

Dagwood: I sympathise; suffered some games like that myself; I imagine many of us have.

Green Tiger12 Jan 2021 10:46 p.m. PST

Just one – we did Gettysburg and a couple of non-historical encounter battles then I gave my figures to a mate and have not revisited the period.

bobm195913 Jan 2021 3:57 p.m. PST

Gettysburg at the Wargames Holiday Centre and parts of Chickamauga using Brad Butkovich's (sic) scenario books.

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2021 10:32 p.m. PST

In 40 years of gaming 15mm ACW, probably 98%. Some multiple times. The really big ones in a series of huge regimental games. Many multiple times. Before the pandemic we had completed one of two parts of Antietam. The second part will be the Sunken Road if we ever get back to it.

Hundreds of smaller ones over the years like Wilson's Creek, Pea Ridge etc.

Bill N14 Jan 2021 7:44 a.m. PST

None. My ACW actions have been brigade or division sized.

donlowry16 Jan 2021 9:01 a.m. PST

One: The Opequan (sp?).

corzin17 Jan 2021 3:33 a.m. PST

looking at Chris's list…not many. Antietam,Seven pines, maybe a few of the "primary" naval battles,Mostly because we Play with Johnny Reb so we couldn't play the bigger battles…though on the other hand I have Visited every battlefield on his list…

donlowry18 Jan 2021 8:45 a.m. PST

That would make an interesting thread, or maybe a survey: Which ACW battlefields have you visited?

Personal logo ACWBill Supporting Member of TMP20 Jan 2021 8:46 a.m. PST

I have run 14 of the top 19 scenarios shown above by Chris BBB so 73.7%.

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