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Widowson18 Dec 2020 2:40 p.m. PST

I don't think I've ever seen an illustration of these, and if left to my own devices I'd make them just like Old Guard but with shakos – basically just the same as the troops with gold braid at turnbacks, lapels, collar. I can't see them going to the Bardin green uniforms.

Anyone know better?

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP18 Dec 2020 6:38 p.m. PST

Pray tell, what regiment is that? They have titles, one and all…

Col Blancard19 Dec 2020 1:51 a.m. PST

I may be able to help if you precise a couple of regiments (and periods) of interest

Widowson19 Dec 2020 5:05 p.m. PST

Middle Guard Infantry:
Fusilier Grenadiers
Fusilier Chasseurs

Prince of Essling20 Dec 2020 2:15 a.m. PST

Fusilier Grenadiers



Fusilier Grenadiers & Chasseurs


Col Blancard20 Dec 2020 7:26 a.m. PST

Boisselier plates:



Private collection:



Widowson20 Dec 2020 3:43 p.m. PST

Pretty much as I expected. Did the Fusilier Chasseur drummer wear that side plume into the 1812 period? Or is it an early version?

Eumelus Supporting Member of TMP20 Dec 2020 5:13 p.m. PST

Question for the experts, I can't tell from the plates – is the lace gold, or aurore?

Widowson21 Dec 2020 11:57 a.m. PST

Gold, like the OG Grenadiers and Chasseurs.

Prince of Essling25 Dec 2020 1:02 a.m. PST

Definitely gold lace.

Although I haven't seen a picture of the Fusilier Chasseur drummer with a front mounted plume, I would assume they did from sometime in 1810 when the regiment's shako was changed to one with the front mounted cockade & plume.

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP25 Dec 2020 2:38 a.m. PST

I agree with PoE.
The initial uniform was a regulation 'anacronism' when it was issued, and stayed that way for some years, presumably until they wore out enough.

Despite all the hype about 'superior' dress and everything else regulated to the spit on their shoes, the 'Guard' were a walking museum of stuff at times.

Just goes to show that the "on the date of decree" issue of uniforms, frankly, wasn't…
Given the 'immediate issue' of that shako and accessories in 1806 to a new Guard formation, why wouldn't the same have existed in the line contemporaneously?

And in 1806, they were just junior Guard regiments.
The appelation given in 1812 (was it), simply around administrative issues (which must have been a nightmare)- senior NCOs and mid-range officers from the 'respective family regiments' retained their higher pay in the junior regiments etc.

However I'd say those lace tabs on the lapels are BS, made up. They would not have had more gold and greater expense than the senior regiments staff/ drummers had. Period.

regards d

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP29 Dec 2020 2:53 p.m. PST

As the Rousellot plates have been provided, while researching another little matter I pulled the text.

The english translation is quite attrocious in places; and I learnt a long time ago to alos read the French, as sometimes enitre sentences or paragraphs were truncated out of the translation.

Nevertheless, even Rousellot points out the lack of 'regulation' uniform when the regiment was first decreed 1806; thus placed under the auspices of the Conseil des Chasseurs, they received a cheaper version of the chasseurs dress, with only blue piped red shoulder straps.

He cites the change (for the chasseurs) in shako type and accessories around 1810- probably because no evidence exists of them being changed prior to the 1809 campaign.
Great for gamers…

As to the drummers, single gold lace adorning standard fuslier (legere) uniforms.

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