"Pavlovsk Grenadier Regiment." Topic

Good job!

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Amicalement
Armand

Absolutely beautiful!

Yes, they are. One of my favorite regiments of the period along with the Neuchatel Battalion and the Black Watch.

Jim

Happy you like them boys! (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Beautiful figures. I've always wondered about the officer's head gear. I'd expect a gilded miter or a bicorn. This is the first time I've seen a shako.

I would also expect the NCO to be at "levelled bayonette" with the men, but I don't mean to be critical. Very fine figures and excellent paint work!

Yes very nice, though i too question THAT officer.
And the NCO- I disagree- if he's fighting, he's not commanding- his role!
A unit that will never appear in my [enemy ]army, so no prob… ;-)

The figures are done correctly. Officers did not have a mitre until 1825 and wore a shako like all other officers in the army. This headdress was worn only by the lower ranks during the Napoleonic Wars.
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See illustrations of the regiment's uniform by year at the bottom of the page.

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The officer with the shako is described as a "staff officer," and in the 1805-11 shows a brown rectangular backpack. I wouldn't trust those illustrations completely, but I won't argue the point, either. Miter unit officers' headgear has always been a mystery to me.

Glad you like then too guys! (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Sooo, manufacturers have been conning us for years then!

Actually, I can't believe those post-period plates are accurate for a 'battle-ready unit- they just depict various uniforms including depot/ civil dress; eg Ober-officer and non-commissioned officer in plain uniform, grenadier in ceremonial uniform.

But if you say they didn't then I guess its a bicorne for my crony 1805 allies.
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The Pavlovsk regiment was named so in honor of the late Emperor Paul 1, who created it in 1796. From the moment of creation and until 1807, when, for valor in the Battle of Feedland, the regiment received the privilege of having forever the miter caps in which it was in this battle, the officers of this regiment did not have a "miter"! All officers of the army grenadier regiments used exclusively ordinary hats. Therefore, the "mitra" remained only with the lower ranks of the regiment. The officers used the general headgear of the army, and then the guard (when the regiment became the guard). And only in 1825 it was ordered to give "mitres" to the officers of the regiment.

Mollo B., Mollo J. "Uniforms of the Imperial Russian Army", 1979. p. 27

Thanks!.

Amicalement
Armand

Well I've sought samples from Eureka as they do mitre and 'fulier mitre' together, but they're too oversized for my old figures (probably OK if I was doing 'Potsdam Grenadiers' or such… Hinchliffe don't seem to have a bicorne foot officer anywhere either (being mainly late war uniform).

PS- shouldn't ALL those have above pompoms, after all they're ALL GRENADIERS ;-(|), sorry for messing up the thread..
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In the grenadier regiment, some of the people were considered Fuselers, some were grenadiers. The Fuselers did not have a brush on the "miter" (in fact, their hat was of a slightly different design – it was somewhat lower than the grenadier's). I do not remember when fuzelers caps in the regiment were all canceled, but this is exactly what happened after the Napoleonic wars.

Well then,

In the 1805-07 period, I would expect the officers to wear the old style shako with bush plume – both grenadiers and fusiliers, though I think the fusiliers would not have three flames on the shako grenade.

1809-11, French style shako with bush, then narrow plume.

In the 1812-14 period, the coal shuttle shako, narrow plume.

in all periods, a bicorn would also suffice.

Werent ALL battalions of this regiment ALL grenadiers?