Travellera | 28 Nov 2020 1:54 p.m. PST |
I am planning a game for the 1792 storming of the Tuileries but I cannot find any information regarding the Marseille Federes which were the main organized body of the attackers. I assume they wore the standard Garde Nationale uniform? But how did their standard/flag look like? I am grateful for any comment or advice! |
alan in canberra | 28 Nov 2020 3:49 p.m. PST |
I too ma looking at gaming this event. No information on the flag but from diary accounts of the period it was noted that the Gardes from outside Paris seemed better trained but more poorly dressed with a blue coat being the only consistent article of clothing they had. So almost anything though I would expect officers to be slightly better if still politically correctly dressed. Whether this is true or just the prejudices of Parisian correspondents for the provincials is unknown but a good way to distinguish between units on the table. BTW have you seen the article in WSS111 Dec/Jan issue? It has a linked series of Sharp Practice 2 games of this event. Are you using 28mm figures? Regards Alan in Canberra Australia |
Travellera | 29 Nov 2020 7:46 a.m. PST |
Thanks Alan, I also read that they mainly wore the red cap rather that the bicorne. I still wonder though if the Battalions outside Paris had the same coat facings as the ones in Paris. I saw one image of the National Guard in Lyon with yellow facings? The colours of the Paris Battalions can easily be found on the web but I struggle with the ones outside Paris… I read the WSS article which provided some inspiration. I plan my game to be set in the Tuileries garden using 28mm miniatures. |
Prince of Essling | 29 Nov 2020 8:21 a.m. PST |
A useful set of 91 gouaches by Boisselier on the militia at the end of the Ancien Régime & the Garde nationale at the start of the Révolution at link Unfortunately no illustration for Marseilles – nearest is for Toulon
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Travellera | 29 Nov 2020 1:10 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the link! It is strange that Marseille is not included since they were the most well known as the main actor in the Tuileries drama. The Brest National Guard is though also interestng that the Brest Federes are shown since they were also present at the Tuileries |
dibble | 30 Nov 2020 7:13 a.m. PST |
Travellera: I also read that they mainly wore the red cap rather that the bicorne. I still wonder though if the Battalions outside Paris had the same coat facings as the ones in Paris. I saw one image of the National Guard in Lyon with yellow facings? The colours of the Paris Battalions can easily be found on the web but I struggle with the ones outside Paris… Your best bet (If you haven't got a copy) is to invest in a copy of Ludovic Letrun's French Infantry Flags 'From 1786 to the End of the First Empire' (I got mine hot off the press in the middle of 2016). It's stuffed full of them and all in colour. It's an excellent book and one that all wargamers of the era should have in their library. |
Travellera | 30 Nov 2020 9:11 a.m. PST |
Thanks dibble, I was considering this one: Les Drapeaux de la Révolution : 800 drapeaux royaux et républicains de 1771 à 1804 better or worse than the one you have? |
dibble | 03 Dec 2020 3:28 a.m. PST |
Sorry I've taken so long to reply. I haven't got that tome and at £50.00 GBP + £11.00 GBP postage, not worth my while gambling on it having more information than the one I have and recommended above. Though not applicable here, I also have the Jean Regnault 1967 'Les Aigles Imperiales 1804-1815' (Copy Nr.306) But the pictures of the surviving flags shown are all in black and white, as are all the other pictures and illustrations, and apart from that, I can't read French anyway! |
SHaT1984 | 04 Dec 2020 10:56 p.m. PST |
A little help perhaps: link - d |
Prince of Essling | 07 Dec 2020 2:26 p.m. PST |
Les volontaires du Finistère et la prise des Tuileries (10 août 1792) : (journal d'un volontaire )d'après des documents inédits Author : Savina, Jean (1876-1949). Publisher : (Quimper) Publication date : 1909 link Makes it clear that it was "Division de Finistere" that took part in the storming of the Tuileries along with the Federes de Marseille. |
dibble | 08 Dec 2020 4:55 a.m. PST |
I knocked this up if it's of any use?
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SHaT1984 | 10 Dec 2020 3:01 p.m. PST |
Nice, but isn't that a little too 'formal' for an ad-hoc crew from the country?? I mean, its top level army regs, not provincials 'levee en masse' type? regards d |
dibble | 11 Dec 2020 5:11 p.m. PST |
I don't know? Any evidence of what they actually flew? Perhaps it was a tablecloth that doubled for a rallying point…for tiffin? |
Bill N | 12 Dec 2020 8:40 p.m. PST |
would a regiment in early 1792 be carrying a flag that said "Republique Francaise"? |
von Winterfeldt | 13 Dec 2020 12:30 a.m. PST |
no – it was founded just 2 days after Valmy. The above design is of about 1794 pattern. |