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19 Nov 2020 5:35 a.m. PST
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Brian Smaller18 Nov 2020 10:42 p.m. PST

Looks like they sunk.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 1:48 a.m. PST

Link to the news?

Flooded, and/or sunk by storms?

nsolomon9919 Nov 2020 3:31 a.m. PST

Dear oh dear, what a terrible shame for them, and after they spent all that money and political capital on building them too!! Doesn't your heart just go out to the Chinese Communist Party?! How simply dreadful!! And embarassing … oh, of course I quite forgot how important "face" is to them …!! Surely this wont make them look incompetent or anything, they couldn't bear that!


Personal logo PzGeneral Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 4:55 a.m. PST

More importantly, are they now hazards to navigation?

Stryderg19 Nov 2020 5:38 a.m. PST

Probably due to the weight of the ADA assets and concrete bunkers they added to the islands. Yeah, that's probably it.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 6:41 a.m. PST

Just like Guam. You have to be careful to balance everything.

Garryowen Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 6:49 a.m. PST

I love, and heartily endorse the comment from nsolomon99.


mjkerner19 Nov 2020 7:38 a.m. PST


HMS Exeter19 Nov 2020 8:42 a.m. PST

Water and gravity will overcome hubris, overconfidence and crappy concrete each and every time.

This island enhancement project has been brought to you by the same enterprising people who brought you the Three Gorges Dam.

Yeah, this is going to end well,…


Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 10:44 a.m. PST

That is a shame.

Apparently, saltwater shouldn't be used to make concrete. Presumably, if I know that they should too.

Of course, maybe they decided to go on the cheap anyway, instead of collecting the needed fresh water for the project and using at as required.

I wonder who will disappear, or be executed over this minor kerfluffle?

What's the Chinese term for abject failure?

Patrick Sexton Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 11:00 a.m. PST

'Tis sad.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 11:27 a.m. PST

Most excellent news!

0ldYeller19 Nov 2020 11:36 a.m. PST

The PRC destroyed so much of the existing eco-system to build these islands. But not a word or act of protest from the "eco-warriors". If a western nation was doing this all hell would break loose from those "eco-warriors".

Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 1:10 p.m. PST

Eco warriors like anti racists strangely never ever attack something openly marxist. Could do a diplomacy tomgue in cheek game with this.
How many structural points would you give to these islands in Harpoon?
Possibly with a dice variation, the PLA side not knowing fully before the tomahawks start to hit.
Corrupt broken systems tend to produce this kind of results. Fortunately in tgat case.

JimDuncanUK19 Nov 2020 1:14 p.m. PST

Apparently, saltwater shouldn't be used to make concrete. Presumably, if I know that they should too.

Didn't seem to stop the Romans.


Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 1:24 p.m. PST

Yea, I was appalled, and still am, over the lack of global criticism over the destruction of the reefs and atolls in the region.

It is rather SHOCKING to say the least.

So, perhaps some if not many are funded by the socialists and communists around the globe, and just criticize the West in order to further their own radical agendas.

That makes the most sense to me, but I'll happily entertain other "conspiracy theories" too.

Perhaps the Romans are smarter than your average Chinese construction crews.

arealdeadone19 Nov 2020 1:44 p.m. PST

Even better is links to news stories from trusted sources.

RudyNelson19 Nov 2020 2:01 p.m. PST

Some mid or low level scientist and engineers will pay the price as well as the project manager.

Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 3:39 p.m. PST

Blub, Blub,Blub, Blub ----

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP19 Nov 2020 4:18 p.m. PST

Yeah. How about a link?

Augustus19 Nov 2020 6:04 p.m. PST

So…I guess those trained dolphins weren't such a bad idea….

Extra fish all around. Go team!

altfritz19 Nov 2020 6:42 p.m. PST

What does Marxism have to do with anything? An anti-racist would target racists, surely? If the Marxists were not racists then why target them? And why target something on the other side of the planet when more pressing events occur closer to home?

Zephyr119 Nov 2020 9:50 p.m. PST

If they'd built their 'islands' out of landfill garbage, they'd still be there… ;-)

Gray Bear19 Nov 2020 9:56 p.m. PST

John, your Guam comment brought a smile to my face. I imagine the genius who originated the idea of floating islands was handily re-elected to Congress.

RTJEBADIA20 Nov 2020 3:07 a.m. PST

Actually, "ecowarriors" *do* target China, and China responds just the way right wingers do in the USA (and elsewhere I'm sure):
You just don't know what environmentalists think because you don't listen to them or care what they say (sounds like China… are you a member of the CCP by chance?)

It should go without saying that the idea that Marxists or Leftists don't target each other is more fundamentally laughable, given how much in-fighting dominates the Left's day-to-day.

Striker20 Nov 2020 11:48 a.m. PST

Well I'm waiting for The Hague to put the smack down on China, and that's from 2016.

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP20 Nov 2020 12:42 p.m. PST

From RTJEBADIA's link:

"Carpenter says The Hague tribunal found the Chinese government had essentially turned a blind eye to the poaching of giant clams.

The poachers' actions help China back up its claim that it's only building artificial islands on dead coral reefs, not living ones, McManus says.

"So in a way," he says, "China is not lying, they're telling the truth. They actually built on dead coral because the Chinese fishers had already killed the coral."


BrianW20 Nov 2020 7:50 p.m. PST

Here are a couple of links:


The second article is the best of the two. Even at that, both of them only talk about it in passing.

soledad21 Nov 2020 1:41 a.m. PST

If the islands are so unstable a few deep penetrating MOABs would surely wreck them. Unstable ground and "earth shaking" explositions could wreck it with just a few hits?

Skarper21 Nov 2020 3:24 a.m. PST

These artificial islands are not firm bases that could be defended in any open conflict.

Even Vietnam has enough force to render them ineffective in short order, although it would provoke retaliation.

They are like 'picquets' out in front of the main line of resistance. The PRC has the notion that they can claim legal rights over open sea by building these and putting somewhat token forces on them. But I'm sure they don't plan on fighting from them.

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2020 2:32 p.m. PST

They are like 'picquets' out in front of the main line of resistance.
I prefer the older title…Forlorn hope!

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