Woolshed Wargamer | 18 Nov 2020 11:42 p.m. PST |
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Thresher01 | 19 Nov 2020 2:48 a.m. PST |
Link to the news? Flooded, and/or sunk by storms? |
nsolomon99 | 19 Nov 2020 4:31 a.m. PST |
Dear oh dear, what a terrible shame for them, and after they spent all that money and political capital on building them too!! Doesn't your heart just go out to the Chinese Communist Party?! How simply dreadful!! And embarassing … oh, of course I quite forgot how important "face" is to them …!! Surely this wont make them look incompetent or anything, they couldn't bear that! :) |
PzGeneral | 19 Nov 2020 5:55 a.m. PST |
More importantly, are they now hazards to navigation? |
Stryderg | 19 Nov 2020 6:38 a.m. PST |
Probably due to the weight of the ADA assets and concrete bunkers they added to the islands. Yeah, that's probably it. |
John the OFM  | 19 Nov 2020 7:41 a.m. PST |
Just like Guam. You have to be careful to balance everything. |
Garryowen  | 19 Nov 2020 7:49 a.m. PST |
I love, and heartily endorse the comment from nsolomon99. Tom |
mjkerner | 19 Nov 2020 8:38 a.m. PST |
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HMS Exeter | 19 Nov 2020 9:42 a.m. PST |
Water and gravity will overcome hubris, overconfidence and crappy concrete each and every time. This island enhancement project has been brought to you by the same enterprising people who brought you the Three Gorges Dam. Yeah, this is going to end well,… not. |
Thresher01 | 19 Nov 2020 11:44 a.m. PST |
That is a shame. Apparently, saltwater shouldn't be used to make concrete. Presumably, if I know that they should too. Of course, maybe they decided to go on the cheap anyway, instead of collecting the needed fresh water for the project and using at as required. I wonder who will disappear, or be executed over this minor kerfluffle? What's the Chinese term for abject failure? |
Patrick Sexton  | 19 Nov 2020 12:00 p.m. PST |
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Shagnasty  | 19 Nov 2020 12:27 p.m. PST |
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0ldYeller | 19 Nov 2020 12:36 p.m. PST |
The PRC destroyed so much of the existing eco-system to build these islands. But not a word or act of protest from the "eco-warriors". If a western nation was doing this all hell would break loose from those "eco-warriors". |
Jcfrog | 19 Nov 2020 2:10 p.m. PST |
Eco warriors like anti racists strangely never ever attack something openly marxist. Could do a diplomacy tomgue in cheek game with this. How many structural points would you give to these islands in Harpoon? Possibly with a dice variation, the PLA side not knowing fully before the tomahawks start to hit. Corrupt broken systems tend to produce this kind of results. Fortunately in tgat case. |
JimDuncanUK | 19 Nov 2020 2:14 p.m. PST |
Apparently, saltwater shouldn't be used to make concrete. Presumably, if I know that they should too. Didn't seem to stop the Romans. link |
Thresher01 | 19 Nov 2020 2:24 p.m. PST |
Yea, I was appalled, and still am, over the lack of global criticism over the destruction of the reefs and atolls in the region. It is rather SHOCKING to say the least. So, perhaps some if not many are funded by the socialists and communists around the globe, and just criticize the West in order to further their own radical agendas. That makes the most sense to me, but I'll happily entertain other "conspiracy theories" too. Perhaps the Romans are smarter than your average Chinese construction crews. |
arealdeadone | 19 Nov 2020 2:44 p.m. PST |
Even better is links to news stories from trusted sources. |
Rudysnelson | 19 Nov 2020 3:01 p.m. PST |
Some mid or low level scientist and engineers will pay the price as well as the project manager. |
Old Glory  | 19 Nov 2020 4:39 p.m. PST |
Blub, Blub,Blub, Blub ---- |
John the OFM  | 19 Nov 2020 5:18 p.m. PST |
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Augustus | 19 Nov 2020 7:04 p.m. PST |
So…I guess those trained dolphins weren't such a bad idea…. Extra fish all around. Go team! |
altfritz | 19 Nov 2020 7:42 p.m. PST |
What does Marxism have to do with anything? An anti-racist would target racists, surely? If the Marxists were not racists then why target them? And why target something on the other side of the planet when more pressing events occur closer to home? |
Zephyr1 | 19 Nov 2020 10:50 p.m. PST |
If they'd built their 'islands' out of landfill garbage, they'd still be there… ;-) |
Gray Bear | 19 Nov 2020 10:56 p.m. PST |
John, your Guam comment brought a smile to my face. I imagine the genius who originated the idea of floating islands was handily re-elected to Congress. |
RTJEBADIA | 20 Nov 2020 4:07 a.m. PST |
Actually, "ecowarriors" *do* target China, and China responds just the way right wingers do in the USA (and elsewhere I'm sure): link You just don't know what environmentalists think because you don't listen to them or care what they say (sounds like China… are you a member of the CCP by chance?) It should go without saying that the idea that Marxists or Leftists don't target each other is more fundamentally laughable, given how much in-fighting dominates the Left's day-to-day. |
Striker | 20 Nov 2020 12:48 p.m. PST |
Well I'm waiting for The Hague to put the smack down on China, and that's from 2016. |
pzivh43  | 20 Nov 2020 1:42 p.m. PST |
From RTJEBADIA's link: "Carpenter says The Hague tribunal found the Chinese government had essentially turned a blind eye to the poaching of giant clams. The poachers' actions help China back up its claim that it's only building artificial islands on dead coral reefs, not living ones, McManus says. "So in a way," he says, "China is not lying, they're telling the truth. They actually built on dead coral — because the Chinese fishers had already killed the coral." Priceless! |
BrianW | 20 Nov 2020 8:50 p.m. PST |
Here are a couple of links: link link The second article is the best of the two. Even at that, both of them only talk about it in passing. |
soledad | 21 Nov 2020 2:41 a.m. PST |
If the islands are so unstable a few deep penetrating MOABs would surely wreck them. Unstable ground and "earth shaking" explositions could wreck it with just a few hits? |
Skarper | 21 Nov 2020 4:24 a.m. PST |
These artificial islands are not firm bases that could be defended in any open conflict. Even Vietnam has enough force to render them ineffective in short order, although it would provoke retaliation. They are like 'picquets' out in front of the main line of resistance. The PRC has the notion that they can claim legal rights over open sea by building these and putting somewhat token forces on them. But I'm sure they don't plan on fighting from them. |
Herkybird  | 22 Nov 2020 3:32 p.m. PST |
They are like 'picquets' out in front of the main line of resistance. I prefer the older title…Forlorn hope! |