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Dan in Vermont15 Nov 2020 1:00 p.m. PST

Hello all, getting ready to wargame 12 SS vs US infantry at
-Krinkelt-Rocherath
-Dom Butgenbach

Anybody know camo / paint scheme or can point me to good links for
-Panzer IVs
-Panthers
-Jagdpanthers
-Jagdpanzers

Is it your basic Dunkelgelb base with the Olivegrun and Rotbraun in disruptive pattern over?
Did the 12th SS paint any tanks white?

Thanks in advance. -Dan

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP15 Nov 2020 1:46 p.m. PST

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machinehead Supporting Member of TMP15 Nov 2020 5:53 p.m. PST

No idea how accurate these are but here you go. star-decals.net/35-982.html
star-decals.net/35-958.html

Martin Rapier15 Nov 2020 11:56 p.m. PST

German armour at the opening of the Bulge is almost always in three tone camo in photos (plus loads of foliage etc). There is one famous photo of a Jagdpanzer IV supposedly from 12th SS in rudimentary ambush camo (in this case, three tone with disruptive flecks over the top, same as other later pattern Jagdpanzer IVs).

Heedless Horseman18 Nov 2020 8:19 p.m. PST

Great Info! I have been intending to ask about this. Curious about White, cammo, though.
As weather worsened, could the forces apply whitewash? And, was this available? Can you 'Whitewash' when it is snowing?

Germans were 'stuck in traffic' but still moving…SLOWLY. What US armour was available seem to have had a rather hectic time, initially.
Of course, there was the famous request for 'Bedsheets'.

So, what do gamers go for? I rather imagine that the first days would be in 'normal' AFV colours, with increasing white as things 'settled'…but, probably, very hasty application of 'sloshed' whitewash…instead of an 'easy to recreate' 'Winter' paint job! LOL!

Were the German AFVs, ever, in 'white' until the advance had been stopped?

Some photos labelled 'Bulge' or 'Ardennes' with full 'winter' cammo could be from when things had stabilised, somewhat.

I just wish that I had the skills to 'Frost' small scale models and bases…but, sadly, that is beyond me! lol.

Dan in Vermont20 Nov 2020 8:14 a.m. PST

Good points, Horseman. I played a big IABSM game from December 18th, 1944 and both rules and historical pics mud and fog were the most common conditions. in fact that is one of the myriad reasons the Germans were delayed as it was a challenge for them to move cross-country. They had to go thru the villages which were turned into strongpoints and hard to crack as well because the buildings were often heavy stone. That situation plus the fact that US artillery decimated accompanying panzer grenadiers. For perfect example, see battle of Twin Villages, aka Krinkelt-Rocherath.

Dan in Vermont20 Nov 2020 8:17 a.m. PST

ah, forgot to mention I found this. Jagdpanthers at Dom Butgenbach

link

Heedless Horseman29 Nov 2020 9:24 p.m. PST

Nice pic of the Jagdpanthers, Dan. Thanks!

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