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doc mcb17 Oct 2020 1:43 p.m. PST

I saw a thread on their William Smith house, which I am building now. But take a look at the Sleepy Hollow line to go with it. I'm a third of the way through building it all, and they are excellent pieces for AWI, I think, especially for skirmish games, as most roofs come off. The church and the stable and the inn are particularly nice.

My two older grandkids enjoy Gothic skirmish games, and the FEAR AND FAITH version of SONG OF BLADES AND HEROES is pretty good. So their Christmas will be Sleepy Hollow, about a dozen buildings, and a nice range of villagers and monsters to fight in it. I have now watched the Tim Burton movie backwards and forwards half a dozen times, for painting inspiration.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP17 Oct 2020 3:40 p.m. PST

Yuppers, the range is great for FIW and AWI. The Martling House in the Sleepy Hollow range is an historical building and home to Tarrytown's first murder during the rebellion. The Schoolhouse is scaled down from the very slightly larger second school in Sleepy Hollow, there are no images of the first one. The Van Allen House fits perfectly for the area.
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I'll also be picking up a couple of kits from their new Farms of Gettysburg set to add to my Tarrytown board. The Thompson House and the Slyder House are perfect examples of Dutch Colonial architecture with stone walls and double chimneys. These two house are fine throughout New Jersey and up the Hudson Valley.

Tarrytown (and Sleepy Hollow is North Tarrytown) is the one location in Westchester County that saw fighting in all seven years of the revolution.
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doc mcb17 Oct 2020 4:54 p.m. PST

Thanks. When SH needs expanding the Slyder farm complex looks like what the Horseman ordered!

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP17 Oct 2020 7:33 p.m. PST

That's a fine set of kits.
I have a lot of them.
Be sure to check out the accessories, like roof shingles, windows, chimneys etc.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP17 Oct 2020 9:36 p.m. PST

I've gotten back to working on my Sleepy Hollow set the last couple of months to get it spiffier for when we can again convention. I've been going kind of over the top to make them as screen accurate to the Tim Burton movie as I can, so that adds quite a lot of modelling time…

When I last ran the game at Huzzah 2018, there wasn't time to detail and shingle the roof of the church. It was just plain gray chipboard at the time. Fully shingled and weathered now, I just put up pix in my build thread over on LAF.
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The Schoolhouse building is all done now too, I'll put those pix up when I scenic the base for it.

Schogun18 Oct 2020 7:14 a.m. PST

I have two TftB buildings and both are excellent kits. Jörg is a master craftsman and nice guy.

Pan Marek19 Oct 2020 8:15 a.m. PST

I'm sorry to be a spoil sport, but while the Smith and Martling house kits are correct for the period (based on historic homes), most of the sleepy hollow buildings are off the mark for period. The Van Allen House is great- For Albany or New York. Its Dutch, but urban. See
https://www.bergencountyhistory.org/, which is for New Bridge Landing in NJ. The homes are Country Dutch colonials. The overhanging gambrel roof is typical. There are a number of surviving examples even in NYC's outer boroughs.

The church could work for AWI, although it has a portico (used on the otherwise fine Revendra church too) not seen in pre 1783 churches. It is not a good representation of a period Dutch Reformed Church, as those of the time were built in square, pentagonal or octagonal shapes with a pointed roof. There are no surviving specimens, but there are drawings and records.

Barns did not develop gambrel roofs until the late 19th century. Such roofs were seen on homes only.

The livery and inn are pure fantasy. Nothing like them prior to the Civil War.

I'm sure you've already guessed that AWI buildings are a personal peeve of mine. Things is moving in the right direction with its Gettysburg buildings, the homes being useful for both the AWI and ACW. Charlie Foxtrot has a number of excellent AWI buildings. So does a small Dutch company, see link

Note the contrast in Patslaser's English barn (accurate) to a Dutch barn of the same period-
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Last but not least-
No covered bridges before about 1798.
Almost all windmills were post design, not cap.

Pan Marek19 Oct 2020 8:18 a.m. PST

I'm sorry to be a spoil sport, but while the Smith and Martling house kits are correct for the period (based on historic homes), most of the sleepy hollow buildings are off the mark for period. The Van Allen House is great- For Albany or New York. Its Dutch, but urban. See
https://www.bergencountyhistory.org/, which is for New Bridge Landing in NJ. The homes are Country Dutch colonials. The overhanging gambrel roof is typical. There are a number of surviving examples even in NYC's outer boroughs.

The church could work for AWI, although it has a portico (used on the otherwise fine Revendra church too) not seen in pre 1783 churches. It is not a good representation of a period Dutch Reformed Church, as those of the time were built in square, pentagonal or octagonal shapes with a pointed roof. There are no surviving specimens, but there are drawings and records.

Barns did not develop gambrel roofs until the late 19th century. Such roofs were seen on homes only.

The livery and inn are pure fantasy. Nothing like them prior to the Civil War.

I'm sure you've already guessed that AWI buildings are a personal peeve of mine. Things is moving in the right direction with its Gettysburg buildings, the homes being useful for both the AWI and ACW. Charlie Foxtrot has a number of excellent AWI buildings. So does a small Dutch company, see link

Last but not least, note the contrast in Patslaser english barn (accurate) to a Dutch barn of the same period-
link

Last but not least-
No covered bridges before about 1798.
Almost all windmills were post design, not cap.

doc mcb19 Oct 2020 9:10 a.m. PST

Thanks, Pan. Happily the main use of the buildings will be Gothic skirmishes in and around Sleepy Hollow, so the film is my reference point rather than history. However, I do have a fairly relaxed attitude about things like uniform details and now, I guess, correct architecture. The kids who will play with me will neither know nor care, and in any case the scenery has to do for at least 1754 through 1865. But I'm glad someone does care about getting the details right.

Pan Marek19 Oct 2020 9:53 a.m. PST

Doc-
Sorry about that. So many chimed in about "how great the buildings were" that I forgot that you are using them in FANTASY games.

Personal logo miniMo Supporting Member of TMP19 Oct 2020 11:12 a.m. PST

The movie really does define the fantasy Sleepy Hollow!

On the historical side, the Van Allen House certainly fits in perfectly for New York and Albany. The first house with stepped gables in Tarrytown that I'm aware of is Washington Irving's own remodelling of Sunnyside that was done in 1835–1837. The original Wolfert's Roost was't nearly that fancy. I'm not sure if there might have been earlier use of stepped gables in town before then on property that didn't gain as much fame and documentation as Sunnyside.

The original Wolfert house would be a great historical model for AWI.
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As would the house sold to the Reed family after the war, and now known as the Landrine House, where Major Andre was held prisoner before his hanging.
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Now that TFTB is expanding their historical selections, I'm hoping Joerg might be persuaded to add these.

--Cat

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