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Tango0102 Oct 2020 10:36 p.m. PST

"In March 1939 Hitler summoned the leaders of the Slovak populist party to Berlin and told them that unless they broke away from Czechoslovakia, he would allow the Hungarians to invade their country. Slovakia declared itself independent on the next day, 14 March 1939.

Slovakia was allowed to maintain its own army (6 divisions), and inherited the Czechoslovakian equipment stored within its borders. Since the Slovak officers were all ex-Czechoslovakian army too, the new force bore a strong resemblance to that highly professional body, though the units had to be reorganized from scratch. One unusual feature was that the ‘Volksdeutsche' (German origin) served in their own ‘closed' formations, which at one point amounted to one artillery, one engineer and two infantry regiments…"
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Silurian03 Oct 2020 8:58 a.m. PST

Interesting. A little known WWII army. I wonder if there are any 1/72 miniatures out there?

Tango0103 Oct 2020 11:56 a.m. PST

Glad you enjoyed it my friend! (smile)

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Armand

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP03 Oct 2020 1:25 p.m. PST

I wonder if there are any 1/72 miniatures out there?

I have built several "lesser" forces by picking and choosing figures and equipment of other nations. Of course my scale, 6mm (1/285), is more forgiving of detailed differences. But still I think a Slovak force could be assembled in 1/72 that could take the "pride-of-the-table" position if for no other reason than it's uniqueness among a given circle of gamers.

I do not have any of the popular books that survey minor axis forces, so I am limited in my source materials. But from my understanding you can look for appropriate kit from a variety of other nations:

- Infantry
The shape of the helmet is very generic. No flanges, just a bowl on the head. Italian helmets are probably the closest match. Late war Soviet helmets, and perhaps German FSJ helmets might also do. Romanian helmets would require some work to take off the rear flaring. French "Adrian" helmets would require some smoothing of the crest. Slovak troopers sometimes wore their overcoats (blankets? shelter tarps?) diagonally across their torsos in a manner similar to Soviet troops, so using a couple Soviet or Romanian figures in a force would not be terribly incongruous.
Rifles are bolt-action, local production versions of Mausers. The main variation is the straight bolt handle (not curved downward). Does anyone care at 1/72? I doubt it -- an Italian Carcano will probably serve well. So for me, I would go for Italian infantry as my basic riflemen.

LMG
The Slovak had the excellent Brno LMG (the basis for the Bren), that also served in the Romanian army (in larger numbers). It is also very similar in appearance to the French FM.29 LMG. If you can deal with the helmets, Romanian or French LMG gunners might be good choices. The French overcoats are a bit of an anomaly, but Slovak troops did have trenchcoats for winter wear, and if the figure is prone with the gun, no one will notice the unusual cut of the French manteau.

HMG
The Slovak infantry used the excellent locally produced ZB vz.58 MG (the same "Besa" gun used in British tanks through most of the war). The same gun was the primary infantry MG in Romanian forces, so if the helmets can be managed there might be sources for this gun.
If this gun can not be found, you can find pics of older water-cooled MGs also in service with Slovak forces. These were local modified versions of the Schwarzloze MG.07 that were built by Besa until about 1934, and were still in service in some thousands in the Czechoslovakian army before Slovakia broke off.

Tanks
The Slovak Fast Division used mostly the LT vz. 38 tank, better known as the Pz.38t. Widely available, and no mods needed (other than painting) to put it straight into your force.
By late 1942 they also used the upgraded LT vz.40. This was the same hull with a new turret, which might be similar enough to a Hungarian Turan II to be lifted from such a model. I can't claim to know much more about this tank.

Motorcycles
The main Slovak force on the Eastern Front was the 1st Mobile Infantry Division (also often called the Slovak Fast Division). It had a number of motorcycle troops. Getting motorcycle infantry figures that are not German is often a challenge, but if you can find Italians or Soviets they might be close enough (although you might have to cut feathers off of Bersaglieri helmets if you start with Italians). As far as I can see, they did not use many side-cars.

Heavy weapons
I don't know much about AT guns or artillery that might have been used by the Slovaks. Fertile grounds for a bit of research…

Just some off-the-top-of-the-head ideas. Let's see if others can add to the suggestions.


-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Col Piron03 Oct 2020 3:55 p.m. PST

Modelling Slovak Forces in Flames Of War .

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Also check out this blog page .

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Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP03 Oct 2020 6:18 p.m. PST

Modelling Slovak Forces in Flames Of War .

Hmmm. I think they have taken a side-track on the LT-40. From the linked site:


LT-40 …………………. GE022 Panzer 38(t) without the main gun

My understanding is that there was one unit that actually went to the Eastern Front, and saw combat, that had received LT-40s before they had their main guns installed. So these were tanks with MG-only armaments.

After their debut in battle around the Stalingrad area, they were withdrawn, and the MG-only tanks were not seen again. LT-40s did not see action again until later in the Crimean campaign, from which point forward all LT-40s were seen with their main guns properly installed.

In both cases the turret was an upgrade, being somewhat wider and more squat than the turret on the LT-38, more similar in appearance to the turret on the Turan II, with a pronounced dome-shaped cupola.

Again, I do not claim any particular expertise on this stuff -- just what I understand from my readings in passing from one topic to another over time. Be happy to get corrected or to have more complete information.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Silurian04 Oct 2020 1:13 p.m. PST

Great info. Thanks guys.

7dot62mm05 Oct 2020 1:46 a.m. PST

20mm Slovaks and/or their equipment have been made by:

Raventhorpe (OOP?)
AXAL miniatures
Ostmodel

It must be stated though that Raventhorpe used the same range for Poles and Slovaks.

Silurian05 Oct 2020 7:25 a.m. PST

I guess their helmets do look pretty similar.

Tango0105 Oct 2020 9:10 p.m. PST

Many thanks!.

Amicalement
Armand

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