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24 Sep 2020 11:23 a.m. PST
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Fenman24 Sep 2020 10:07 a.m. PST

The war without an enemy. Who would you have pushed a pike for?
Royalist
Parliament
Covenanter
Montrose
Local Clubmen (hate both sides)

Wackmole9 Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 10:11 a.m. PST

Montrose's Irish

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 10:29 a.m. PST

Parliament

General Kirchner24 Sep 2020 10:56 a.m. PST

parliament

Lascaris24 Sep 2020 11:00 a.m. PST

Royalist.

Big Red Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 11:03 a.m. PST

Loyal to the Royal.

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 11:21 a.m. PST

Parliament, for sure! – though I would have been a Shotte man rather than a Pikeman, I am not tall enough!

AppleMak24 Sep 2020 11:26 a.m. PST

Montrose Highlander

Crazyivanov24 Sep 2020 11:40 a.m. PST

Died in the wool Royalist. Only mistake Charles ever made was not using acid when he dissolved Parliament.

Son of MOOG24 Sep 2020 11:47 a.m. PST

Royalist. Although on the game table I am relegated to being a Roundhead because my regular opponent "cannot possibly be on the side of Oliver Cromwell!"

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 11:53 a.m. PST

So – your choices are Honest and True Royalist or Vile Traitor to your Rightful King?

Now there's a toughie

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse24 Sep 2020 11:57 a.m. PST

Wrong but wromantic.
Wroyalist, of course.

Huscarle Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 12:04 p.m. PST

Royalist

mad monkey 124 Sep 2020 12:24 p.m. PST

Royalist.

Steamingdave224 Sep 2020 12:34 p.m. PST

Could never support a Stuart king after the Union of Crowns, especially the arrogant Charles 1st, so Parliament for me.
interesting that so many of our colonial cousins would have been on the Royalist side!

Prince Rupert of the Rhine24 Sep 2020 12:44 p.m. PST

I'll let you take a guess…

Flawed as he was I'd be right there alongside Prince Rupert as a sexy young cavalier with long flowing locks and a goatee :)

RudyNelson24 Sep 2020 12:47 p.m. PST

Royalist.

Ten Fingered Jack24 Sep 2020 12:55 p.m. PST

Royalist

Mollinary24 Sep 2020 1:06 p.m. PST

Royalist, although in the wish washy Clarendon wing!

Dadster Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 1:06 p.m. PST

Vive Le Roi!

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 1:16 p.m. PST

God save the King!

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 1:41 p.m. PST

Cromwell for me.

Yesthatphil24 Sep 2020 1:51 p.m. PST

Parliament, of course.

Phil

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 2:29 p.m. PST

Covenant for me!

Jim

Personal logo Stosstruppen Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 3:59 p.m. PST

Royalist

Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 4:01 p.m. PST

Royalist!

epturner Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 4:31 p.m. PST

Montrose's Irish.

Eric

Personal logo brass1 Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 4:32 p.m. PST

Montrose

TGerritsen Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 8:21 p.m. PST

Highwayman. Why not take advantage to remove both sides of their coin?

Raynman Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 8:44 p.m. PST

Montrose

KeepYourPowderDry25 Sep 2020 12:06 a.m. PST

With notable Parliamentarians in the family, it can only be Parliament for me.

newarch25 Sep 2020 2:10 a.m. PST

Don't really GAF either way but I'd probably go with Cromwell, he was an honourable enemy after all.

cherrypicker25 Sep 2020 2:58 a.m. PST

Royalist

Andy Fyfe25 Sep 2020 4:49 a.m. PST

Royalist

Thomas O25 Sep 2020 6:40 a.m. PST

The side that has the biggest floppy hats!

Tomsurbiton25 Sep 2020 9:26 a.m. PST

God and Parliament!

Corporal Fagen25 Sep 2020 10:11 a.m. PST

Clubmen
Montrose
Royalist

0ldYeller25 Sep 2020 11:00 a.m. PST

Parliament no question.

Fenman25 Sep 2020 11:21 a.m. PST

Very interesting.
Seems to me Charlie would, if down to us, have kept his head on his shoulders.

Royston Papworth25 Sep 2020 12:05 p.m. PST

Eastern Association.

Prince Rupert of the Rhine25 Sep 2020 12:16 p.m. PST

Seems to me Charlie would, if down to us, have kept his head on his shoulders.

I'm not sure a load of (probably) out of shape, middle aged men who are handy with a paint brush and a tube of super glue would have been much of a match for the NMA……

Personal logo Unlucky General Supporting Member of TMP25 Sep 2020 12:30 p.m. PST

Well naturally God was on the side of righteousness and the Parliamentarian cause. They had the Lord and the people on their side – numbers always count. AND Charles was a filthy traitor who lost both his trials of combat and then in the court after which they lopped his head off.

On the other hand, if there's no Royalist army, there's no table-top wargame. There's something to be said for blind obedience and unquestioning loyalty – so I'll do both.

The Tin Dictator26 Sep 2020 9:49 a.m. PST

Being of Scottish heritage I suppose I'd be one of Montrose's dragoons.

Never could understand why anyone would support a guy who kills his king in a coup and then takes over as dictator.

Martin Rapier26 Sep 2020 10:00 a.m. PST

Parliament of course. I have to live here. No Louis XIV style absolutist tyrants in Merrie England!

It cracks me up that our friends over the pond think the Stuart monarchy was a good thing. We kicked the sorry shower out for good in 1688.

Eleve de Vauban Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2020 10:17 a.m. PST

I am reminded of the great playwright Monty Python who asked the question "who made you King?"…or was it "how did you become King?".

Parliament for me.

Personal logo Unlucky General Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2020 12:19 p.m. PST

Martin Rapier,

That's funny. Thank you – your comments made me laugh. I think also the BBC 'A History of Scotland' (2008) presented by Neil Oliver pretty well illustrated that the Stuart gene pool was deeply flawed – what a bunch of (insert favourite expletive here).

As far as 'understanding' supporting a 'guy' who kills a King and becomes a dictator … it's an interesting point. I'd suggest the type of monarch Charles fought to be was far closer to absolutism and dictatorship than modern concepts of constitutional models. The current Western alliances include a number of absolute monarchies, Oman, UAE and Saudi Arabia to name just three which have far more in common with the Stuart model than the Western European ones.

Over the centuries the peoples of the UK have killed several of their Kings in coups and on battlefields. Kings have also murdered rivals in secret and usurpation was rife. There seems to be something ingrained in the national psychology or public memory; however, which forgives them if they stick a crown on their own head afterwards – which Cromwell stopped short of doing. To his credit he also led a public trial and was not alone in removing his predecessor.

To this day people in the UK can still get hung up on this subject – which is not a criticism … I love how we invest in history and it can be a lot of fun.

I tend to be for Parliament just becasue power was more broadly shared but that's about as far as it goes. I have nothing in common with puritanism or the deep rooted class system. I suggest if we went back in a time machine none of we 'modern' people could tolerate 17th century Britain for 24 hours or any of their views.

Prince Rupert of the Rhine26 Sep 2020 12:52 p.m. PST

It cracks me up that our friends over the pond think the Stuart monarchy was a good thing. We kicked the sorry shower out for good in 1688.


errr I'm pretty sure the Stuarts reigned until 1714….

Lapsang27 Sep 2020 1:24 a.m. PST

Anyone but Cromwell.

Fenman27 Sep 2020 2:31 a.m. PST

I would have fought for Parliament I think.
Which is strange because one of my ancestors on my Mothers side was a Colonel in the kings army. His name was Richard Bole. He fought a regard action at Alton in Hampshire and was killed defending the church.

Prince Rupert of the Rhine27 Sep 2020 3:19 a.m. PST

Wow Fenman that is super cool. Did you know Donald Featherstone re-fought the battle of Alton in his book Wargames Campaigns?

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