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Sarge Joe Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 8:19 a.m. PST

the only one i know a couple of squadrons French cavalry husar reg french revolution

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 8:46 a.m. PST

The Saxons mutinied against Blucher and the Prussians in early 1815 after they were forced into the Prussian service.

Apparently, Prussia had an afinity for forcing the Saxons into their influence.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 8:53 a.m. PST

Prussians forcing Saxons into service has a long tradition going back to the SYW

The French army had a major mutiny in 1917 for example

It happens so often people write graduate thesis about it – this one documents more than 400 military mutinies


Whirlwind24 Sep 2020 8:55 a.m. PST

There are a couple of examples:

Froberg: link

The lynching of General Solano & the near-lynching of Cuesta at the beginning of the Peninsular War would count, I guess.

Saxon troops also defected to the Allied in 1813 before their state did, so I guess that would count too.

Brian Smaller24 Sep 2020 9:06 a.m. PST

In 1943 6000 men of the NZ armed forces returned home on a three month furlough. After a lot of pressure, doctors downgrading their medical status etc. many were not sent back to Europe and returned to civilian or home front service. Many refused to go back and over 500 faced courts martial. They had fought through Greece, Crete and the entire North African campaign and thought that many of the able bodied men still at home should go instead to do their bit. They were refused loans after the war, couldn't get government jobs, had a criminal record etc. The New Zealand Prime Minister (Peter Fraser) who was trying to force them back into action had been a conscientious objector in WWI and had no idea of what they had been through. So yeah New Zealand had a mutiny.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 9:51 a.m. PST

The Westphalian hussars a little before Leipzig, and I think all the Westies in the Dresden garrison became the Austro-German Legion.

Depending on when you think the Napoleonic Wars are over, the mutiny of the Strasbourg garrison when Rapp wouldn't surrender after Waterloo.

But more than you think in the French Rev, Sarge Joe. The German Cavalry Regiment, the Saxe Hussars and almost all of the Bercheny. (The revolutionaries rebuilt it from the one remaining squadron rather than admit losing their most senior hussar regiment.)

You're into iffy territory with the Swiss who became the de Rolls and de Wattevilles in British service, or some of the "blue Swiss" of 1808 who defected at Bailen.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 9:52 a.m. PST

Certain state lines of the Continental Army mutinied a few times and Washington dealt with the problem in short order, having the ringleaders arrested and some of them executed.

The Spanish commander, San Juan, in 1808 while retreated towards Talavera was murdered by his troops, who then largely disbanded.

Early in the French Revolutionary Wars there were 'large-scale' mutinies in Lille, Metz, Caen and Nancy.

Most of the Royal Allemand cavalry regiment and the 4th Hussars deserted and went over the frontier. The 1st Hussars mostly refused and stayed loyal.

Perris070724 Sep 2020 10:15 a.m. PST

Do Roman armies proclaiming their favorite general Emperor count as mutinies?

RudyNelson24 Sep 2020 10:17 a.m. PST

Several mutinies in the American army mainly under Jackson. Several happened with Tennessee volunteers but not regular units.
The Georgia force turned into the Carolina force as entire units from the Carolinas were brought in the to replace Georgia units.

Sarge Joe Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 10:20 a.m. PST

tanks for the comments Gentlemen i'm not in to 1st ww 2 as i recal this the napoleonic forum

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP24 Sep 2020 12:06 p.m. PST

>>i'm not in to 1st ww 2 as i recal this the napoleonic forum

I havent seen that stop anyone before. Besides, open ended questions lead down strange pathways…

Nice of Brian to bring it up tho. Don't forget the little incidet aboard ship on the way over too. And of course you can't find a poitician who isn't an affirmed hypocrit anyway… perhaps it's time to redress all the 'wrongs' of that particualr episode as well, since we've become so fond of rewriting/blaxwashing history…

14Bore24 Sep 2020 12:37 p.m. PST

Don't have much detail in 1815 some Prussian units did

Lilian24 Sep 2020 1:10 p.m. PST

also the 8th West Indian Regiment in the island of Dominica 1802 (la Dominique, not today Dominican Republic/Santo Domingo)

I am sure we can find a lot, everywhere, in several armies throughout the period, the right question, in order to reduce it, would rather be, which army never knew a mutiny…

Dennis24 Sep 2020 1:56 p.m. PST

The Vellore mutiny in 1806. Well within the Napoleonic period I believe. See:


Sarge Joe, I recognize that English is probably not your primary language, but you do tend to ask vague and open-ended questions.

You might try to be a bit more specific in the future as SHaT 1984 is correct, posters don't always consider the subject matter of the board before posting (I've probably done it once or twice myself). Here, for example, I'd suggest mentioning the Napoleonic wars or Napoleonic period in your original question as well as posting it to the Nappy's Discussion Board.

Sarge Joe Supporting Member of TMP25 Sep 2020 1:20 a.m. PST

toSHaT 1984 understand we wil get side tracked in this -string- of comments me as wel and yes dennis i'm dutch use google translate
and tend to ask vague and open-ended questions. ?

GurKhan25 Sep 2020 7:31 a.m. PST

They were (of course) fleets rather than armies, but don't forget the Royal Navy mutinies at Spithead and the Nore in 1797.

Stoppage25 Sep 2020 12:09 p.m. PST

open ended questions lead down strange pathways

Forum all the better for following these!

vague and open-ended questions

More please!

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP25 Sep 2020 12:25 p.m. PST

I am delighted to see Serge Joe now using Google translate. When I asked him to do so before, he felt I was somehow insulting his use of English. I was genuinely trying to help him.

Instead I think Stoppage has made a really good point above. This is how a conversation between friends evolves (especially in an English village pub).

Serge Joe, why were were you asking? Are thinking of it as a wargame potential?

Dennis25 Sep 2020 2:23 p.m. PST

Sarge Joe; no worries mate. I'm just suggesting that if you want to limit the scope of responses to your questions then you might want to specifically mention that limitation in your question, rather than relying on TMPers to limit their responses based solely on the name of the Board to which your question is posted.

And I'm sure you're doing much better with Dutch to English using Google translate than I would in reverse.

Sarge Joe Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2020 5:33 a.m. PST

dear Spoppage have plenty more to Dennis google translate is not that good o.k. i use sharp and short and odd questions i'm a painter /collector 1805 28mm europian armies so no 1812-815 period

Stoppage26 Sep 2020 10:10 a.m. PST

Some context around my need for new ideas and connections:


I have two dementia-suffering in-laws three doors away down
the road.

Both left school at 15/16 years of age after receiving British "summary education" (that is: what to do it rather than the why).

They have always watched Football (players moving around green field), snooker (coloured balls moving around green baize table), or repeats (especially either of the preceding).

They have never had the ability to connect different facts together in new ways. Now, in their dotage, their brains have given up and they are now basically zombies.


We all need to keep our brains working, growing new neurons by making new connections and acquiring new skills.

Thank goodness for Sarge Joe's questions.

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