Sarge Joe | 24 Sep 2020 9:19 a.m. PST |
the only one i know a couple of squadrons French cavalry husar reg french revolution |
Brechtel198 | 24 Sep 2020 9:46 a.m. PST |
The Saxons mutinied against Blucher and the Prussians in early 1815 after they were forced into the Prussian service. Apparently, Prussia had an afinity for forcing the Saxons into their influence. |
Frederick | 24 Sep 2020 9:53 a.m. PST |
Prussians forcing Saxons into service has a long tradition going back to the SYW The French army had a major mutiny in 1917 for example It happens so often people write graduate thesis about it – this one documents more than 400 military mutinies link |
Whirlwind | 24 Sep 2020 9:55 a.m. PST |
There are a couple of examples: Froberg: link The lynching of General Solano & the near-lynching of Cuesta at the beginning of the Peninsular War would count, I guess. Saxon troops also defected to the Allied in 1813 before their state did, so I guess that would count too. |
Brian Smaller | 24 Sep 2020 10:06 a.m. PST |
In 1943 6000 men of the NZ armed forces returned home on a three month furlough. After a lot of pressure, doctors downgrading their medical status etc. many were not sent back to Europe and returned to civilian or home front service. Many refused to go back and over 500 faced courts martial. They had fought through Greece, Crete and the entire North African campaign and thought that many of the able bodied men still at home should go instead to do their bit. They were refused loans after the war, couldn't get government jobs, had a criminal record etc. The New Zealand Prime Minister (Peter Fraser) who was trying to force them back into action had been a conscientious objector in WWI and had no idea of what they had been through. So yeah – New Zealand had a mutiny. |
robert piepenbrink | 24 Sep 2020 10:51 a.m. PST |
The Westphalian hussars a little before Leipzig, and I think all the Westies in the Dresden garrison became the Austro-German Legion. Depending on when you think the Napoleonic Wars are over, the mutiny of the Strasbourg garrison when Rapp wouldn't surrender after Waterloo. But more than you think in the French Rev, Sarge Joe. The German Cavalry Regiment, the Saxe Hussars and almost all of the Bercheny. (The revolutionaries rebuilt it from the one remaining squadron rather than admit losing their most senior hussar regiment.) You're into iffy territory with the Swiss who became the de Rolls and de Wattevilles in British service, or some of the "blue Swiss" of 1808 who defected at Bailen. |
Brechtel198 | 24 Sep 2020 10:52 a.m. PST |
Certain state lines of the Continental Army mutinied a few times and Washington dealt with the problem in short order, having the ringleaders arrested and some of them executed. The Spanish commander, San Juan, in 1808 while retreated towards Talavera was murdered by his troops, who then largely disbanded. Early in the French Revolutionary Wars there were 'large-scale' mutinies in Lille, Metz, Caen and Nancy. Most of the Royal Allemand cavalry regiment and the 4th Hussars deserted and went over the frontier. The 1st Hussars mostly refused and stayed loyal. |
Perris0707 | 24 Sep 2020 11:15 a.m. PST |
Do Roman armies proclaiming their favorite general Emperor count as mutinies? |
Rudysnelson | 24 Sep 2020 11:17 a.m. PST |
Several mutinies in the American army mainly under Jackson. Several happened with Tennessee volunteers but not regular units. The Georgia force turned into the Carolina force as entire units from the Carolinas were brought in the to replace Georgia units. |
Sarge Joe | 24 Sep 2020 11:20 a.m. PST |
tanks for the comments Gentlemen i'm not in to 1st ww 2 as i recal this the napoleonic forum |
SHaT1984 | 24 Sep 2020 1:06 p.m. PST |
>>i'm not in to 1st ww 2 as i recal this the napoleonic forum I havent seen that stop anyone before. Besides, open ended questions lead down strange pathways… Nice of Brian to bring it up tho. Don't forget the little incidet aboard ship on the way over too. And of course you can't find a poitician who isn't an affirmed hypocrit anyway… perhaps it's time to redress all the 'wrongs' of that particualr episode as well, since we've become so fond of rewriting/blaxwashing history… |
14Bore | 24 Sep 2020 1:37 p.m. PST |
Don't have much detail in 1815 some Prussian units did |
Lilian | 24 Sep 2020 2:10 p.m. PST |
also the 8th West Indian Regiment in the island of Dominica 1802 (la Dominique, not today Dominican Republic/Santo Domingo) I am sure we can find a lot, everywhere, in several armies throughout the period, the right question, in order to reduce it, would rather be, which army never knew a mutiny… |
Dennis | 24 Sep 2020 2:56 p.m. PST |
The Vellore mutiny in 1806. Well within the Napoleonic period I believe. See: link Sarge Joe, I recognize that English is probably not your primary language, but you do tend to ask vague and open-ended questions. You might try to be a bit more specific in the future as SHaT 1984 is correct, posters don't always consider the subject matter of the board before posting (I've probably done it once or twice myself). Here, for example, I'd suggest mentioning the Napoleonic wars or Napoleonic period in your original question as well as posting it to the Nappy's Discussion Board. |
Sarge Joe | 25 Sep 2020 2:20 a.m. PST |
toSHaT 1984 understand we wil get side tracked in this -string- of comments me as wel and yes dennis i'm dutch use google translate and tend to ask vague and open-ended questions. ? |
GurKhan | 25 Sep 2020 8:31 a.m. PST |
They were (of course) fleets rather than armies, but don't forget the Royal Navy mutinies at Spithead and the Nore in 1797. |
Stoppage | 25 Sep 2020 1:09 p.m. PST |
open ended questions lead down strange pathways Forum all the better for following these! vague and open-ended questions More please! |
deadhead | 25 Sep 2020 1:25 p.m. PST |
I am delighted to see Serge Joe now using Google translate. When I asked him to do so before, he felt I was somehow insulting his use of English. I was genuinely trying to help him. Instead I think Stoppage has made a really good point above. This is how a conversation between friends evolves (especially in an English village pub). Serge Joe, why were were you asking? Are thinking of it as a wargame potential? |
Dennis | 25 Sep 2020 3:23 p.m. PST |
Sarge Joe; no worries mate. I'm just suggesting that if you want to limit the scope of responses to your questions then you might want to specifically mention that limitation in your question, rather than relying on TMPers to limit their responses based solely on the name of the Board to which your question is posted. And I'm sure you're doing much better with Dutch to English using Google translate than I would in reverse. |
Sarge Joe | 26 Sep 2020 6:33 a.m. PST |
dear Spoppage have plenty more to Dennis google translate is not that good o.k. i use sharp and short and odd questions i'm a painter /collector 1805 28mm europian armies so no 1812-815 period |
Stoppage | 26 Sep 2020 11:10 a.m. PST |
Some context around my need for new ideas and connections: -+-+-+-+-+ I have two dementia-suffering in-laws three doors away down the road. Both left school at 15/16 years of age after receiving British "summary education" (that is: what to do it rather than the why). They have always watched Football (players moving around green field), snooker (coloured balls moving around green baize table), or repeats (especially either of the preceding). They have never had the ability to connect different facts together in new ways. Now, in their dotage, their brains have given up and they are now basically zombies. -+-+-+-+-+ We all need to keep our brains working, growing new neurons by making new connections and acquiring new skills. Thank goodness for Sarge Joe's questions. |