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Tango0121 Sep 2020 12:55 p.m. PST

"China is ratcheting up the risk of military confrontation in the Taiwan Strait, as Beijing seeks to deter Taipei from continuing to deepen ties with the U.S. and other like-minded democracies.

People's Liberation Army aircraft repeatedly breached the median line between Taiwan and the Chinese mainland last week, in the latest of a series of military exercises in the area. The Chinese pilots signaled a willingness to continue the practice, telling Taiwanese personnel who attempted to warn them away that "there is no median line," the Taipei-based China Times newspaper reported Friday, citing unnamed military officials.

People's Liberation Army aircraft repeatedly breached the median line between Taiwan and the Chinese mainland last week, in the latest of a series of military exercises in the area. The Chinese pilots signaled a willingness to continue the practice, telling Taiwanese personnel who attempted to warn them away that "there is no median line," the Taipei-based China Times newspaper reported Friday, citing unnamed military officials…"

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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse21 Sep 2020 3:51 p.m. PST

I guess that should be no surprise … Can the actually invade there yet. AFAIK – No … So …

Thresher0122 Sep 2020 1:18 a.m. PST

Sorry Legion, I have to disagree with you on the invasion front. It's actually pretty easy for them to do with their quasi-military, merchant marine fishing fleet, using reverse Dunkirk tactics.

Throw in some supertankers and cargo ships too, the former of which will be very hard to sink if empty, and just carrying troops and helos, and you've got a heck of an invasion force.

I hope it doesn't come to that.

Yep, same old game but just upping the pressure using their jets. They do the same against the Japanese, as do the Russians too, regularly, e.g. hundreds of times a year.

A pity the Taiwanese can't just blow them out of the sky, but like they say, that would just give China the pretext it wants.

Apparently, over just Friday and Saturday, there were incursions by 37 aircraft, including strategic bombers.

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Perhaps we could send them some of our new-fangled lasers, and claim "salt corrosion" if any holes or cuts result in engines being knocked out, or wings, cockpits, and rudders falling off.

Implausible deniability IS a real thing.

I'd love to see the USN sail within 100 yds. or so of ALL their illegally built and claimed islands in the South China Sea weekly, which we really should start calling the East Vietnamese Sea, just for grins, and to poke the giant panda.

The most effective thing to do would be to try to get most of the world's nations to put a stop to this by canceling all trade with China until they behave reasonably, both on Hong Kong and Taiwan.

If they don't, they should be cut off from the world until there is a regime change, and the institution of democratic freedoms for the Chinese people.

I doubt that will ever happen, unless they overplay their hand very badly, AND even then, some will still do business with them, since they're poorly lead.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse22 Sep 2020 7:10 a.m. PST

Well do they want to take the heavy losses ? And they do have a good thing going economically with Taiwan. But so did they with Hong Kong …

Again, Sun Tzu, to paraphrase, "All war is a matter of deception." … "Achieving your ultimate goals without going to war" …

They are students of their own history, AFAIK …

randy5122 Sep 2020 9:58 a.m. PST

And what would the US do if China tries an invasion?

Thresher0122 Sep 2020 11:52 a.m. PST

No one wants to take heavy losses if they can avoid it, but I suspect Xi and others at the top of the government/military don't really worry about stuff like that.

It's a minor detail in the entire scheme of things.

Can't let that get in the way of their iron grip on power.

Apparently, in doing a bit of further research, these events listed as our "Friday and Saturday" actually occurred last Thursday and Friday, since they are a day ahead of us.

3 incursions apparently occurred on Monday (ours I think).

Not sure how many there were on our Sunday, or today.

I've read that in many Asian cultures it is very bad to lose face. That makes me wonder what would happen to President for life Xi if he were to lose a squadron or two of aircraft in such an adventure.

I'm guessing that probably would kick off a full military response, so would be unwise, but would Xi be sacked due to such a major loss of face, and men and machines?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse23 Sep 2020 9:14 a.m. PST

many Asian cultures it is very bad to lose face.
From what I have read and experienced that is true. So I'd think that would influence the PRC attacking anyone. Only if they had a pretty good chance of "winning" per se. Or at least if they can "spin" it that way for local consumption, etc. They have been known to "deny" things in the world media, etc., as well. E.g. COVID, etc.

You see some of this in the '79 Sino-Vietnamese War … seems to me on both sides – link

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