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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2020 2:08 p.m. PST

…. Know That Six Million Jews Were Killed In The Holocaust

"A new survey has found that two-thirds of American Millennials and members of Gen Z do not know that six million Jews were killed during the Holocaust.

The survey of adults ages 18 to 39 was commissioned by the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, examining knowledge about the Holocaust among young Americans.

The survey included 1,000 interviews nationwide and 200 in each state, and the Claims Conference says the findings bolster the urgency of the group's campaign to get Facebook to ban holocaust denial from the platform…"

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mjkerner17 Sep 2020 2:19 p.m. PST

Yeah, but be happy that they can name every microaggression ever loosed in their general direction. Like this.

Gear Pilot17 Sep 2020 2:34 p.m. PST

My Millennials don't even know the major powers that fought in WWII or which side they were on.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2020 2:54 p.m. PST

No fooling

I remember a few years back having to convince a group of first year med students (these are people with an undergraduate university degree) that Russia and Canada were on the same side in WWII

pikeman66617 Sep 2020 3:22 p.m. PST

A pack of ignorant fools.

torokchar Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2020 3:30 p.m. PST

I bet they know the exact circumference of Kim Kardashian's butt though.

Tgerritsen Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2020 3:56 p.m. PST

But they will all tell you in exhausting detail the history of transgressions against certain groups ad naseum and why certain figures are evil and must be expunged (they don't know details, but they will tell you that it's common knowledge).

smithsco17 Sep 2020 4:15 p.m. PST

The numbers are terrifying. I am a history teacher in Wisconsin which had the best response data (still terrible) of any state. I gave the survey questions today in my classes. Almost 100% correctly identified Jews as primary victims. The number killed about 60% got right and many more were in the ball park. Gave me a little hope.

Col Durnford17 Sep 2020 4:27 p.m. PST

Even more don't seem to remember the other 5 million that died in the camps.

Legionarius17 Sep 2020 5:48 p.m. PST

"O tempore, o mores! Senatus hoc intellegit, Consul videt!"

15th Hussar18 Sep 2020 7:18 a.m. PST

Even more don't seem to remember the other 5 million that died in the camps.

Agreed and the above numbers don't even include 20 million plus civilians that were just plain killed, for whatever reason, just either trying to live or flee.

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 8:25 a.m. PST

It's not just the Holocaust. Most millenials and younger folks don't know much about history, period. They generally have little interest in what happened before their time in the past. The "woke" social media generation is trendy and has no problem rallying behind here-and-now social justice and environmental issues such as Black Lives Matter and climate change though.

Rdfraf Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 8:30 a.m. PST

I had lunch with a friend who is a chemist and I mentioned Mark Dice's video on him asking college kids who won the civil war and how ignorant they were and she looked at me and said that she didn't know who won the civil war. In fairness to her she did guess the Union.

Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 10:18 a.m. PST

The most important reason to remember The Holocaust is not that it happened, but that it must not be allowed to happen again.

But we are now in the midst of the New Racism that is indistinguishable from that at the heart of Nazism. It's not WHO you identify as less than human or deserving of life and dignity, it's that ANY discreet group (even if created artificially) may be identified as less than human.

"OUR hate is just and good, and gives us the moral authority to deal with its object as we may choose."

How many have so little knowledge--not only of history--but themselves? How many can even imagine standing back and looking at their own attitudes critically?

Self knowledge MIGHT be the most important knowledge of all, and the refusal to consider the roots of one's own motives, and that the actions they permit could be wrong, is more dangerous than all the atomic weapons that could ever be made.

The images of a crowd yelling in the faces of diners and demanding they lift their arms as proof of their acceptance of its demands need only have CGI put Brown Shirts on them to show the timelessness of unreasoning hate and self righteousness.

God Help Us.


Personal logo The Virtual Armchair General Sponsoring Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 10:33 a.m. PST

Sorry to bleat again, but I meant to address one thing more.

I, for one, do NOT support the suppression of Holocaust Denial. Not because I agree with it, but because the suppression of any form of free speech, within context, goes hand-in-hand with denying other ideas.

If Holocaust Denial is a sickness, the cure is not to hide it, but to meet it head on with historical argument.

Lies always--if not instantly--evaporate in the presence of the truth. One can only believe in Holocaust Denial when ignorant of the actual history. "Know the truth, and the truth will set you free," is not just a line out of a very old Book--it's as demonstrable as any experiment performed in a science lab.

Lies can be repeated, but they can't be proved. They can be compounded, larded with more contrived "proof," and fed to incredulous and uncritical minds, but the truth needs no such care and feeding. It lives on its own, needing only to be remembered and shared.

Off the podium….


Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 10:35 a.m. PST

Super Glup!!!


Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 11:09 a.m. PST

The problem is that there can be no universally accepted "truth" when people disagree on what "truth" is and can interpret or twist truths to conform to their narrow minded beliefs and world view in our digital day and age. Birds of the same feather will flock together. The division is so stark that "influencers" on each side are not so much influencing people but preaching to their respective head-nodding choirs. In other words, "truth" is no longer absolute but relative.

15th Hussar18 Sep 2020 11:48 a.m. PST

TVAG….WOW, Great Post(s)!

15mm…FACTS are greater than truth. Provable, critically argued facts, but then again, in regards to the current "truth(s)" out there…getting someone to listen to facts is another thing altogether.

And along those same lines to your earlier post, uneducated when that particular element of the education system being removed over the last, what 50'ish some years (or at least starting then), cover's ALL children/students who were affected, not just some. Ignorance is universal if spread evenly and at least some young adults show that they are more than willing to try and learn.

Mark 118 Sep 2020 1:28 p.m. PST

Lies always--if not instantly--evaporate in the presence of the truth.

Alas, were that true.

I mean, not instantly, sure. But always … do we wait until the end of the world to get our test score back?

The ancient Greeks knew the world was a globe more than 2,000 years ago. They even managed to measure the size of the earth to within a few %, just by using observations of shadows and geometry.

And yet today there is a growing population, non-trivial in number, who assert that the earth is flat. And not just online … they even have conventions to publish, present, and otherwise share their information. Information that includes the obvious conspiracy that ALL companies that produce GPS, that publish maps, all airlines (and pilots, even private pilots), all merchant seamen and freight ship lines, are IN on … the conspiracy enforced by NASA's armed agents, the guys who prevent anyone from visiting the Antarctic (because they'd see the ice wall that is the edge of the earth).

If we can't even agree on such basic facts as the shape of our planet, how are we supposed to resolve more nuanced truths like that NASA doesn't have an army or a navy, or that we actually went to the moon EVER, much less in what year or decade.

(aka: Mk 1)

0ldYeller18 Sep 2020 1:33 p.m. PST

Nor do these generations seem to have any clue of the atrocities committed by the Soviets, PRC/CCP or other communist regimes. I see an awful lot of Hammer and Sickle flags and images at these "protests".

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 1:36 p.m. PST

If we can't even agree on such basic facts as the shape of our planet, how are we supposed to resolve more nuanced truths

Exactly. "One man's fact is another man's lie" seems to be the order of the day. Some people simply would not accept any fact that contradicts his deeply held beliefs and values regardless of the evidence presented.

Legion 418 Sep 2020 1:52 p.m. PST

Sadly many of the youth as well as some others know little about history … And they don't seem to care, either …

And now some seem to want to change history. Which is fine if for the sake of accuracy. But to me that does not seem like that is their intent.

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 2:19 p.m. PST

And now some seem to want to change history.

Word. History is revised over time as people see fit. My HS history teacher drummed it into my and my classmates' heads that the ACW was fought NOT over slavery but the principle of states' rights. That is no longer the case in the New History taught in our schools.

Dn Jackson Supporting Member of TMP18 Sep 2020 3:31 p.m. PST

I had some stuff to say, but I think TVAG covered it all.

Garand18 Sep 2020 5:39 p.m. PST

All history is revised over time. In my own little niche of specialty (medieval European) the difference between what the semi-professional historians of the Victorian age & what historians are writing about today is like night & day…and we are better for it.


khanscom18 Sep 2020 6:28 p.m. PST

TVAG-- well said!

smithsco18 Sep 2020 7:01 p.m. PST

As a history and government teacher I feel there is an unfair characterization being made on younger generations. The average student may not deeply appreciate history like many of us do but it does not mean they don't care. The great failure in history education has two causes, neither of which go back to the kids.
1. Testing determines a lot about a school and about teacher performance today. These tests measure math and English skills. That's pretty much it. Most school districts and administrations want the kids to succeed and look to get them more time to work on these skills. Often the solution is turn history class into a second English class that just happens to incorporate canned, boring texts on history. Additionally this is encouraged because education gurus tell the school leadership nobody needs knowledge they need skills and history provides no marketable skills. Admins buy this line and want to force on marketable skills. That's why kids are writing resumes in history classes.
2. Universities are turning out history teachers who don't know history. This is where the woke component comes in. I had a colleague I got along well with on a personal level but couldn't agree with at all on a professional level. In essence my colleague taught world history as a woke anthropology course. Lacked meaningful knowledge of history. I don't know how you turn out well educated students if that's what you teach.
The longer I've been teaching the more I dive into story and details and an honest, nuanced view of history. Turns out a lot kids love it because they can relate to people and events and want to learn. It isn't the kids. It's a horribly broken education system.

Legion 419 Sep 2020 7:01 a.m. PST

Yes the system seems to be the real problem … thumbs up

Personal logo 15mm and 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP19 Sep 2020 12:03 p.m. PST

Right on, smithsco. The woke approach popular in academia today teaches history not by telling stories of people and events but from the perspective of race and power.

Your defense of the younger generation is also well taken. I know quite a few people who majored in history, and all but one of them ended up in careers with nothing to do with history. The lone exception is a PT guide at an art museum.

jay13821 Sep 2020 11:03 a.m. PST

Not just millennials. My exwife did not even know what the holocaust was.She was 40 when she found out. She went to school in California.

Legion 422 Sep 2020 7:02 a.m. PST

That is true also. I run into a lot of older people old fart who are clueless too when it comes to history.

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