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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian20 Aug 2020 7:55 a.m. PST

Did you ever take the time and money to get into a new miniature wargame or period and regret it?

Personal logo Bashytubits Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 8:06 a.m. PST

Warhammer 40k 1st edition, got talked into buying 100s of dollars of miniatures then the group sold all their stuff off and did something else just a couple of weeks after they sucked me in. I have rarely felt so angry and stupid that I listened.

Prince Rupert of the Rhine20 Aug 2020 8:19 a.m. PST

TBF those hundreds of dollars of 1st edition 40k miniatures are probably worth a lot more now if you kept them. Old citadel stuff in good nick is worth a mint these days.

Personal logo Jlundberg Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 8:26 a.m. PST

Flames of war – got to town and was told everyone was playing it. Built two good sized armies – one of which has never seen the table.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 8:26 a.m. PST

No, not that I can think of.

Prince Rupert of the Rhine20 Aug 2020 8:36 a.m. PST

I think I've enjoyed everything, I've gotten into, at the time. Some things have had a longer shelf life than others but I can't remember ever having regrets about anything I've purchased.

skipper John Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 8:39 a.m. PST

NAPOLEONIC!! I spent a fortune and lost many years of my life… Only a memory now.

TodCreasey20 Aug 2020 8:51 a.m. PST

Joan of Arc. No regrets as I use all of the pieces for other games but it was a stinker. Lots of cards and tiles for sale if anyone wants them :-)

TGerritsen Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 9:05 a.m. PST

Generally, I don't get into something unless I intend to game it, so no real regrets. Even if I don't like the system it came with, I can always reuse it in another system.

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 9:09 a.m. PST

Second on Napoleonics

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 9:19 a.m. PST

Napoleonics

Fat Wally20 Aug 2020 9:58 a.m. PST

Probably Pirates for land actions. Bought and painted the figures, played with them no more than half a dozen times and found they bored me. Sold them for a tidy profit so it was no real loss.

Personal logo Florida Tory Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 10:00 a.m. PST

No, even the armies I haven't had a chance to game with yet.

Rick

Doug MSC Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 10:19 a.m. PST

None. I've enjoyed every period I have gamed in.

JimSelzer20 Aug 2020 10:51 a.m. PST

Flames of War and Warmachine/Hordes

Dukewilliam Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 11:23 a.m. PST

Flames of War. Tried it twice but it didn't get any better the second go 'round. Luckily, the models are useful in other rules sets.

FoG Napoleonics. Thought the Renaissance game was pretty good, so gave it a shot. Luckily, I only lost $ on the rulebook.

Some long gone edition of WHFB. Got immediatley fed up with dealing with the GW business model and how each army got more powerful as they came out, forcing you to buy more armies.

I'm sure there's more but that's what happens when you are an impulse buyer.

Steve

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 11:35 a.m. PST

Another vote for Flames of War – didn't like it, gave the tanks to a buddy and went back to Rapid Fire for 20mm and Spearhead for 6mm

smithsco20 Aug 2020 11:48 a.m. PST

X-Wing. Bland, same every time. FFG rips off customers.

Bolt Action. Decent game. Love WWII. Friend I got into it with basically insisted on playing high point games where his Waffen SS were always on defensive dug in. Sending Shermans and riflemen to assault MG42 and Tiger spam killed the game for me.

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 12:56 p.m. PST

Nah … had some games I didn't enjoy playing, but as mentioned several times above …

Games are games, but minis are minis!

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 2:10 p.m. PST

I did buy some games and minis I wound up never playing nor painting, but I was able to trade them off for other stuff I have enjoyed instead, so no regrets there. And it's always interesting to see how someone else structures their rules, even if I'm not wild about them.

Wargamer Blue20 Aug 2020 3:41 p.m. PST

Chain of Command

Dawnguard6420 Aug 2020 4:07 p.m. PST

My only regret is not playing games enough to master them. Warmachine would be the prime example.

john snelling20 Aug 2020 6:16 p.m. PST

Nappys and Flames of War.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 6:20 p.m. PST

No. First of all, I don't invest much money at a time in gaming.

A few apparently wasted hours with a game system that's unplayable or unenjoyable or whatever is at least still a learning experience, and so not a total waste.

SgtPain20 Aug 2020 6:35 p.m. PST

Add me to list of recovering Napoleonics gamers. When I was young and naïve I sink more time and money into building Napoleonic armies, then I care to think about. Then one day it dawned on me I love the Napoleonic history, I just don't like gaming it(boring).

Live and learn.

T Corret Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 6:47 p.m. PST

Although it is dangerous to admit, WRG Ancients, 3rd through 7th editions and a Guttenburg Bible of errata and explanations. I loved playing and enjoyed my opponents, but haven't played a game in over thirty years.

RudyNelson20 Aug 2020 7:40 p.m. PST

I have been at gaming since1970. There are several eras that I got into, out of, and some like board gaming back not.
As a vendor and store, there have been several systems that I got suckered into stocking and others like GW and flames of war that I avoided. Some reasons were stocking minimums and mandatories which I have always avoided.
Most of my personal mini collection is gone and I have had to rebuild my board game collection.
Lost money on several ventures.

Personal logo Narratio Supporting Member of TMP20 Aug 2020 10:12 p.m. PST

FoW – Tried two games, decided the artillery rules sucked, the different National characteristics made limited sense.

But the models? They were all repurposed for BK4. I'm much happier now.

FASAfan21 Aug 2020 6:43 a.m. PST

Great thread!

I'll throw one out here: Heroscape – a mass-market, non-collectible (at the beginning), pre-painted miniatures game. I loved the fact that you could go to Wal-mart and purchase relatively well-painted, affordable miniatures for it.

Rules were just ok (with a big problem with terrain height advantage). Then exclusive miniatures started coming out. The component terrain was neat and many people bought the game just for it, but storage was a huge problem and set-up could take an hour. Then, of all things, the online community became toxic. Just a bad experience.

I like to watch miniatures games on YouTube. In fact, it was watching several videos of Flames of War and Team Yankee that made me hit the pause button on it. Seeing FoW mentioned in this thread isn't helping matters, either… :)

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP21 Aug 2020 9:54 a.m. PST

I wouldn't cosnider any period I got into to be a bad period.

But there are several periods I made large investments in after only very little exposure to the period, the miniatures or the rules.

One that stands out was making a large investment in Campaign books and Miniatures for "A very British Civil War."

My investment never went anywhere though I still consider it a very interesting wargaming idea. I'd still play it if someone else had the minis:
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saltflats192921 Aug 2020 4:24 p.m. PST

I invested about a thousand dollars to game the Toledo War. Moved away. When I went back to Ohio my city was gone.

Zephyr121 Aug 2020 9:18 p.m. PST

The Combat Zone boxed game. If I'd been able to open the box to see the rule book, I would have saved my money (the rules were basically Nick Lund's Kill Zone, which also had much better minis… ;-)

Der Krieg Geist21 Aug 2020 10:55 p.m. PST

Regret is a funny concept for me. I almost always get into a game because I love miniatures and since I do almost exclusively Science fiction and fantasy, I can and do re-purpose the figures for other things.

I guess I regret MW Dark Age/ Clicky Tech a bit because there might have been a descent game under all the market hype collectible BS, somewhere…but no one was really interested in a desent game. They all wanted the "Look at me! I bought it so I win! Thrill …( I hate random buy game pieces and secondary market greed) but it was the infiltration of the hobby by cheap, profitable, Chinese made plastic crap and junk design s to sell more hyped up junk that really drove it under.( In fact I just hate the whole tournament mindset in gaming , in general)

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP22 Aug 2020 5:00 a.m. PST

I'll throw one out here: Heroscape …

I think regretting where the publishers took a game is different than regretting the game you got into. When the game is changed over time, it becomes a different game, so I consider than mourning that the old game that is no longer produced (not gone), and feel no commitment to the new game. It's not the same game.

They all wanted the "Look at me! I bought it so I win! Thrill

I disagree with that view of the 'clix games, though that is what the owners turned them into did become that. (BTW, they're not dead. HeroClix is still in production and making entirely new lines, so I guess still profitable.)

The original 'clix games had some great characteristics. One of which was you didn't have to buy whatever the überunit was to win, because the game was a closed state space WRT the rules. If you had the rules, you knew what could be coming at you. Compare this to WH40K where if you don't have the played version of every codex, you don't know the total capabilities of those forces … or to 'clix games where individual units come with custom cards that have abilities not in the rules.

DOM used to win MW tourneys when she was 8-10. She used Steel Wolves, not a "tourney winner" force and some of the more common units. Instead of relying on the tech, she focused on optimizing the force to her tactics. You can't even pick a tactic if you can be surprised by an unknown capability.

Not to say that unknown capabilities isn't realistic. But we also generally don't wargame battles where one side had a capability totally unknwon to the other. We also generally use "massacre" as the first word in the name of such battles.

Interestingly, the crappy (INHO) changes the owners made to those games (which are still profitable for them, so that's what my opinion represents) made them nicer as miniature resources.

New ownership of the lines started the "retirement" of old sets, something the original owners put in writing multiple times that they would never do. However, on the secondary market, this grossly devalues retired sets. Cheap minis for me!.

They also started double tapping the sculpts. Originally, a unit would have three "levels" (Rookie, Experienced, Veteran; 1-star, 2-star, 3-star) and possible an elite. This meant if I only want the model, not the game piece, I can usually buy the lesser one cheaper. They got rid of that, but started reusing sculpts (f'r'ex Named Character Scientist and generic scientist have the same model), which actually increased the gap by making the lesser ones even cheaper in the secondary.

There were (and are) some highly desired units that cost a huge price on the secondary market. That's a basic market dynamic and it is caused by the fact that you can't buys specific pieces from the manufacturer. It bothered me a little, but because you didn't necessarily need those pieces to win (it was other reasons) it was no worse than a manufacturer that directly charges you that price for a desired piece.

JanissaryAga22 Aug 2020 3:21 p.m. PST

Not exactly a regret, but more frustration with having a lot of renaissance figures but very few people interested in playing at my local store, everything is 40k and Flames of War.

Lucius23 Aug 2020 3:25 a.m. PST

I usually buy a matched pair of armies up front, and paint them both. I bought 700 samurai, and then discovered that I hated painting them. 6 months of self-inflicted pain.

Swampster23 Aug 2020 5:26 a.m. PST

"Bolt Action. Decent game. Love WWII. Friend I got into it with basically insisted on playing high point games where his Waffen SS were always on defensive dug in. Sending Shermans and riflemen to assault MG42 and Tiger spam killed the game for me."

High enough points to get some Typhoons? It's the historic tactic.

rampantlion24 Aug 2020 12:00 p.m. PST

Probably Samurai, I hated painting them and in large wargames (played DBR at the time) it felt very rock paper scissors.

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP24 Aug 2020 5:26 p.m. PST

I bought 15mm British Napoleonics. Twice. Sold them. Twice.
I bought 25mm Sassanid Persians. Twice. Sold them. Twice.

The list is too long of what I only went through that once.
Twice means that I was just plain dumb.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP25 Aug 2020 8:24 a.m. PST

Ancients.

I only got into the period because it was the only thing that people were playing. Happened twice, once at University back in the mid 70s and when I first move to the Twin Cities in the late 90s. Fortunately, I moved on.

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