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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP In the TMP Dawghouse13 Aug 2020 1:00 p.m. PST

"The top U.S. general for military operations in the Middle East is warning of a potential Islamic State resurgence should the international community not act quickly to repatriate and deradicalize former members and supporters of the terror group who are in Syrian camps.

"We're buying ourselves a strategic problem 10 years down the road, 15 years down the road, and we're going to do this all over again. I would prefer to avoid that," General Kenneth "Frank" McKenzie, commander of U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM), said during an online forum Wednesday hosted by the U.S. Institute of Peace (USIP)…"
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Legion 413 Aug 2020 3:49 p.m. PST

warning of a potential Islamic State resurgence should the international community not act quickly to repatriate and deradicalize former members and supporters of the terror group who are in Syrian camps.
I agree … we should not under estimate ISIS.

That has always been my concern. What do we do with all these ISIS fighters and their families in those camps? The women & children are flying the ISIS flag and running their own little version of the Caliphate. Based on media reports.

The UN/World Court has a lot ISIS terrorists and their supporters to try for Crimes Against Humanity, etc.
Remember they almost wiped out the Yazidis. Sold captives into slavery. Destroyed ancient historical sites. Tortured, murdered, raped, executed, etc. their way across Iraq and Syria. Plus they are in A'stan as well.

I want justice for all those they committed those horrible crimes against.

Frankly I don't know if many of them … man, woman or child can be rehab'd ?

Don't think we can keep them all locked up until they all die off either ?

Or can the world do that ? They may be too dangerous to be anywhere but in a prison camp ?

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2020 4:38 p.m. PST

Literal "breeding grounds" for insurgents, though I understand why no one wants them back.

They are definitely too dangerous to bring home and let roam free.

PK Guy Brent13 Aug 2020 6:12 p.m. PST

I wonder exactly how you "deradicalize" former members?

Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2020 8:38 p.m. PST

Life time stay on Johnson Island or similar locations thousands of miles out in the Pacific with enough patrol boats and sat observation to prevent rescue or escape. Not sure if they'd have to be air dropped (much)food and such (no fresh water supplies, but they could work that out), but would allow them to set up their own little kingdom/empire and experience it. Minimal guard requirements, not much needed in maintenance, let them govern themselves.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2020 9:51 p.m. PST

In the olde days, they'd be given a trial, and then summarily shot or hanged for their trouble.

It's almost a 100% fool-proof way to prevent recidivism and infection of others.

Legion 414 Aug 2020 7:17 a.m. PST

Hopefully the UN, etc., will try many of them and give them life in some sort of prison/camp/(?). Too bad AFAIK the World Court does not have the death penalty.

Keeping all these "monsters", their radicalized wives and offspring alive for life costs money. Lots of money, money better used on people like the Yazidis, and other of their victims and their families.

Literal "breeding grounds" for insurgents, though I understand why no one wants them back.

They are definitely too dangerous to bring home and let roam free.

Indeed there are still around 40(?) or so jihadis at Gitmo from before, e.g. 9/11, etc. No one wants them … what do we do with them ? Again it cost money to keep these "animals" alive. Again money better used elsewhere. Thank the Gods Gitmo was not shutdown as some Bleeped text had wished/tried !

I wonder exactly how you "deradicalize" former members?

Good question and I have pondered it as well. Case in Point, e.g. Watched a documentary on NATGEO. It was about the Hitler Youth/SS, and interviewed many former members in their very old age. "Amazingly" many if not all were totally unrepentant.

Who'd have thought there would be any "group", etc., i.e. ISIS, that would be as bad or even worse than/rival the Hitler Youth/SS? In many ways.

I think jihadis like ISIS fits that description in ideology and actions, etc. Albeit at a much smaller scale, fortunately. But that is of little solation to their victims.

IIRC, Gitmo does have a lot of empty cells though. But don't think it could even house all the ISIS murderers + their families. Plus the cost … money used much better elsewhere.

That being said where would all that money come from ? The UN ? The Saudis ? The counties where those ISIS members came from ? Who ?

USAFpilot14 Aug 2020 9:27 a.m. PST

For starters, all these ISIS flags in these camps need to be pulled down in view of everyone. The fact that this is even tolerated is absurd.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Aug 2020 10:14 a.m. PST

You can't de-radicalize a radical, in most cases.

I agree on the flags issue, and that should be done immediately. Make them do it in exchange for food and water. No compliance, nothing to eat or drink.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa14 Aug 2020 10:19 a.m. PST

Not exactly new. Total lack of spine in the face of public opinion and foresight on the part of a lot 'Western' government. Though some have chosen to own their problems.

I would note that religion has been shown to be remarkably resistant to persecution and some could be said to thrive on a sense of it…


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15mm and 28mm Fanatik14 Aug 2020 11:40 a.m. PST

You can't de-radicalize a radical, in most cases.

The Chinese would beg to differ. It's the whole basis behind their internment and "westernization" (i.e. secularization) of the Uighurs in Xinjiang province. We can argue that "how do they know the Uighurs are muslim extremists?" and they'll say "it's the policy that prevents radicalization in the first place."

Legion 414 Aug 2020 2:59 p.m. PST

+1 USAF, all the ISIS flags should be taken down & burned …

The Chinese would beg to differ.
Well as you all know I have no love for jihadis or their supporters and families. I pretty much hate those types in fact. But it looks like the PRC leadership is taking a few pages from the Nazis … And nothing good will come of that from a humane standpoint. It sounds like genocide to me. But again I have no love for terrorists jihadis. However, I don't think the Uighurs are even considered terrorists/jihadis.

Now if China was handling all the captured ISIS types like this … it would be another story, IMO. Taking out the garbage comes to mind.

However it would still ring of being inhumane, etc.,… But how humane were ISIS to all those they captured ?

arealdeadone14 Aug 2020 5:25 p.m. PST

Let the Russians and Iranians and their puppets in Damascus and Baghdad get bogged down fighting ISIS.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa15 Aug 2020 4:05 a.m. PST

Yes the Uighurs have turned up among the 'foreign fighters' of international jihadist groups, but they are a transnational ethnic group so that doesn't necessarily mean they were Chinese. And there is clearly an active terrorist campaign within China with an Islamic flavour. Though given they live under the boot of an authoritarian regime with a penchant for cultural genocide… one mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter!

Western deradicalization programmes are targeted at individuals and don't follow China's route of collective punishment with a full serving of cultural genocide.

Legion 415 Aug 2020 7:11 a.m. PST

Let the Russians and Iranians and their puppets in Damascus and Baghdad get bogged down fighting ISIS.

Amen to that !!!!!

a transnational ethnic group so that doesn't necessarily mean they were Chinese. And there is clearly an active terrorist campaign within China with an Islamic flavour.
I believe I have heard something similar. But in the media many times the "facts" get "skewed". But again if they are join jihadi/terrorists for any reason they should be considered a threat.

Though given they live under the boot of an authoritarian regime with a penchant for cultural genocide… one mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter!
Very true … and has been said many times. In this case … I'm going with they are terrorists. If for no other reason the stats prove it out.

Western deradicalization programmes are targeted at individuals and don't follow China's route of collective punishment with a full serving of cultural genocide.

Well I think the PRC's version is generally criminal in any light. By to them it's a good way to take care of a jihadis/terrorist problem. The Western method pretty much assures some will "slip thru the cracks".

Comes down to how much you are willing to risk the "deradicalized" are actually that? I think history shows, "a leopard does not change his spots". I guess 100 years from now we will see with method was the most effective and in turn what was the correct way to handle this situation. Albeit I think today many would see the PRC method as being inhuman. But how many lives of the general population would be save in this technique? Or not ?

Legion 415 Aug 2020 7:11 a.m. PST

Let the Russians and Iranians and their puppets in Damascus and Baghdad get bogged down fighting ISIS.

Amen to that !!!!!

a transnational ethnic group so that doesn't necessarily mean they were Chinese. And there is clearly an active terrorist campaign within China with an Islamic flavour.
I believe I have heard something similar. But in the media many times the "facts" get "skewed". But again if they join jihadi/terrorists for any reason they should be considered a threat. Just to err on the safe side, so to speak.

Though given they live under the boot of an authoritarian regime with a penchant for cultural genocide… one mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter!
Very true … and has been said many times. In this case … I'm going with they are terrorists. If for no other reason the stats seem to prove it out.

Western deradicalization programmes are targeted at individuals and don't follow China's route of collective punishment with a full serving of cultural genocide.

Well I think the PRC's version is generally criminal in any light. But to them it's a good way to take care of a jihadis/terrorist problem. The Western method pretty much assures some will "slip thru the cracks".

Comes down to how much you are willing to risk the "deradicalized" are actually that? I think history shows, "a leopard does not change his spots". I guess 100 years from now we will see with method was the most effective and in turn what was/may be the "correct" way to handle this situation. Albeit I think today many would see the PRC method as being inhuman. But how many lives of the general population would be save in this technique? Or not ?

Only time/history will tell/judge I'd think …

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