"I for one am getting tired of seeing" Topic

Gauntlet thrown down accepted.

Okay John, show us your best drawing, sculpture, favorite photo of a "sensible" female warrior model that you like.

This business is highly about the sexual fantasies of the artist that can be tasteless and stupid for many others. I don't judge it, I simply don't buy them.

I like to look. I don't drool.

I have armoured females in my Tekumel range but often people can't tell them apart from the males. (They are slighter builds.)

The first Ironman movie had that scene in the "Funvee" which highlights the fact that, in armour, it is sometimes hard to tell male from female.

A worse problem, IMO, is that all male fighters/chaos warrior types seem to have to wear plate armour. And, overall, too many figures are based on Medieval Europe. So bloody boring!

And then there is the over-the-top weapons. I don't actually care about them too much, however, I've recently started converting 54mm figures for dungeon crawl games and I've been taking 28mm fantasy weapons and using them with the figure. And even then some of them still look large!

Gauntlet thrown down accepted.

Okay John, show us your best drawing, sculpture, favorite photo of a "sensible" female warrior model that you like.

Oh, give me an easy challenge, why don't you?
How about the entire catalog of Bad Squiddo Games, starting with this?
link

badsquiddogames.com

That's a cop out! Make you choice.

Ok. The one on the left.

Where's the damn "like" button?!

The one on the left.

Is that the realistic woman warrior realistically riding a realistic moose? or maybe the realistic bear rider?

By "realistically riding" do you mean side-saddle?

I had to go check, but no. Not in either case.

My point was mount a moose and tell me how realistic it is.

I suppose my other point was those (as well as dozens of others) have genre-specific conceits that require suspension of disbelief.

The whole concept of minis tabletop gaming is based on conceits. The overwhelming majority of or minis are in one pose and put into situations where it would be ridiculous for a person (or other) that they represent being frozen in one pose.

It's not a "yes or no" or a "realistic or unrealistic" or "good or bad". It's matters of degree and personal opinion.

The fact that I have (male and female) relatives who were "volunteered" by the Soviet government for their armed forces and assert the condition of uniforms, lack of acne and pockmarks, and abundant availability of fine hair care products might be slightly different than their real world experience is interesting to me, but not a deciding factor in my purchase, painting, retention and future activities with respect to Bad Squidoo's line of such figures. In fact, I hope she makes more.

For the life of me I cannot see why the thread starter is reading this thread. I would remind him that TMP is OPTIONAL there is no legal compultion to read it. Sat there complaining about what is clearly the standard that the positive contributers would like to see is the standard of this board. Get Bill to make you a board that conforms to your demand if ther is enough of you to make a board, which I suspect is not the case or there would be a board for you already.
Otherwise please be positive. I am not a great fantasy fan but enjoy seeing the world refelected in others eye's not neccessarily in line whith what I go for.

Some great sculptures do not reflect practicality but they are accepted for what they are. Please do us a favor and be quiet if you cant be usefully conteructive. The sculptors in this board are not going to be swayed by your predudices quite rightly. If you want a specific type of figure, sculpt your own or commision it youself.

I realise how sad the OP is his comments are as relevant as him complaining that Picaso failed to do a decent job of painting his figures!

Whenever I see a female "warrior" with excessively stupid gear, I tell myself she's actually an exotic dancer.

I don't, BTW, think saying that something is stupid is equivalent to saying that those who do like that thing are stupid. I like a few stupid things myself, yet like most people I'm firmly convinced of my own cognitive adequacy.

complaining that Picaso failed to do a decent job of painting his figures!

I didn't know old Pablo was a wargamer …

I realise how sad the OP is his comments are as relevant as him complaining that Picaso failed to do a decent job of painting his figures!

Strange you should say that.
I've seen you complain when people do try to get a decent paint job on their figures.

And I am rightly reppremanded for doing so!

Can anyone confirm Tango01 is a real person? 159,590 plus posts in ten years, really? How is this not full on sock puppetry?….42.87 posts a day…every day for ten years? 2 posts an hour 24/7? come on!?!?!?

I for one just don't buy it anymore. I am supposed to believe this guys full time life goal is singularly posting on this forum?

I have been on this forum since 2004, me 1,715 posts.

Sorry Bill, I am calling your bluff. why does a guy who is supposedly from Buenos Aires,Argentina named Dr. Rałl Alberto de la Cruz, go by "Herman" in french…Armand indeed.

And to think I defended Tango01 in the past, believing him to be real person…. I feel like an I've been played, like an idiot.

159,590 plus posts in ten years, really? How is this not full on sock puppetry?

So, first, volume is not about sock puppetry. Do you mean is Tango01 an automaton (human, mechanical, software, or hybrid)? If you do, you are assuming the total posts is accurate. There was a burble with that number a couple years ago (?), I believe, when adjusting the forum software.

Plus, the aggregate isn't really the focus. What you would want to analyze is the daily posts by timestamp and volume.

Second sock puppetry is not about us of multiple accounts or multiple use of accounts. Someone having multiple accounts if fine under the rules. Several people sharing an account (like multiple people from a company posting to a clearly identified corporate account) is also fine.

On TMP, sock puppetry is defined as using accounts for the purpose of creating the appearance of a false group consensus either for or against something in a post.

And to think I defended Tango01 in the past, believing him to be real person…. I feel like an I've been played, like an idiot.

Why?

IF you are defending someone's basic rights, it shouldn't matter whom they are. Defending peoples' rights is also about their behaviour, not their character. Someone who smoked in the past is not somehow barred from saying smoking is a bad idea. The fact that someone currently smokes does not affect the value of their arguments or their right to make them.

Despite popular mythology to the contrary, computer programs do not have agency. They only do what they were explicitly built to do. Bots do not have rights and do not vio0late societal standards. But, as an action mechanism for their controller(s), those controllers have the same rights and responsibilities with respect to the action of their bot. Saying a bot has agency is like saying that I didn't crush someone's skull, it was the rock that I threw at them (albeit in a slightly more complex technological cause effect environment).

So, whether the account is an automaton or not should be independent to both sock puppetry and to its controller(s)' rights and responsibilities on the forum.

why does a guy who is supposedly from Buenos Aires,Argentina named Dr. Rałl Alberto de la Cruz, go by "Herman" in French

So, if Tango01 was in reality a 90 year old Swedish woman living in Tibet, that would also be an issue?

TMP has no validation of identity. (Actually, neither does anywhere else on the Internet, TMP just formally acknowledges it.) And, again, identity is personal and independent of the status, value, and nature of actions (like posts on a board).

So, I guess that's a long way to ask exactly what is the problem?

etotheipi,
To be clear, I begin to seriously doubt the Tango01 is an actual human being. I do not care to interact with algorithms when I am not made aware that is what they are.

I don't care who someone really is as opposed to who they identify as on the web as long as they are not trying to subsume someone else's identity for purposes of deceit.

The rest of your argument seems irrelevant to the idea that I feel I and others have been suckered into believing we are interacting with an actual person instead of a few lines of coding.
Sock puppetry is the wrong thing to call it, on my part.

I am not sure as to how to name it. I also begin to suspect the admins here are aware that this is a script, pretending to be a person and if so I am disappointed they did nothing to make their awareness clear. Nor do I suspect, that the post count is incorrect, I find Tango01 posts inundating every board on every subject post I care to look at, often with little or no relevance to the subject being discussed.
Add to that the cut and paste responses of "cool…" "Glup!" and "Glad you liked it, boys (smile)" to every friggin post and we have ample evidence for a bot.

Do you still fail to see why I might be upset at this?

Do you still fail to see why I might be upset at this?\

Yes.

believing we are interacting with an actual person instead of a few lines of coding

Reread the irrelevant part of my post. The lines of coding (if that's what they are) do not have agency. If you interact with code (any code), you are interacting with the person(/people) who created it since they explicitly directed all its actions.

I find Tango01 posts inundating every board on every subject post

We must have a different definition of "every". And "inundating". I don't see posts from him every day. I don't see him on some boards at all.

Add to that the cut and paste responses of "cool…" "Glup!" and "Glad you liked it, boys (smile)"

Which is a higher level of interactivity than some posters.

Also, while it is neither proof for nor against the assertion that the account is posted by a bot, putting those different responses in appropriate places is a high-end AI decision process. Writing more complex responses is trivial 80's AI.

seems … suspect …

Or possibly you could use easily accessible facts? Tango01's posts over the last four days:

19 Aug	17
20 Aug	12
21 Aug	26
22 Aug	11

Across 51 boards.

Numbers way below average FC unique content posts.

Speaking of which, without a formal definition of what is "relevant" to a board, selecting where to post from boards, especially related boards without the same word in the title, is also a high-end AI task.

That is why Dear Editor invented the Stifle and Ignore functions.

I sometimes enjoy reading where these discussions go. When I don't, I stop reading and move on. I do it with books I read and shows I watch too. Sometimes I read John's post and move on, sometimes I root for him to dig in his heels. Regardless, I think he is no more right or wrong than anyone else here. I am glad that the OFM is back, however.

I also begin to suspect the admins here are aware that this is a script, pretending to be a person and if so I am disappointed they did nothing to make their awareness clear.

To the best of my knowledge, Tango is an actual human being. We exchange PMs from time to time. He has also emailed Editor Gwen on occasion.

Also: an AI would not make mistakes, such as posting something it posted a month ago, would it?

Ah, but a clever AI, much smarter than mere mortals, would try to appear human!

John… you have to tell this people about those old and good conversation we had via PM about Game of Thrones… and other things… you have forget them…? (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

Armand,
Sorry I thought you were a bot :)
Your post above is human enough. LOL

Also: an AI would not make mistakes, such as posting something it posted a month ago, would it? grin

Actually, yes.

No harm here my friend… bip!…bip!…bip!… (smile)

Amicalement
Armand

:D

ok I have a few things to say about this subject.

One I agree with allot of the OG points. Realistically, he does have a point. Female Adventures in sensible shoes have a place on the table top. I have several from the old days of GW and I have made several for my company.

Now it is important that pin-up fantasy/scifi/ horror models, like Kingdom Death, does have a place on the market. Saying that they do not, it would be saying that Heavy Metal and Brom has no place doing fantasy or sci fi. I do not think any one here would agree with that.

As to oversized weapons on models, please stop holding that against the sculptors. Larger weapons cast easier with fewer flaws. Now excessively large weapons, yes, by all means complain about that. Slightly larger weapons then normal weapon please start letting it slide.

Different strokes for different folks. You don't like it then find something you do like. Just don't bother the enjoyment of those that like what we see.